So Venusian: A Love Letter to the Feminine

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Meaghan (00:58): Hello, and welcome to the Venusian Womb podcast. Today, we are so excited to dive into Venusian energy. What it is, what it means, how to embody it, how it is part of the essence of this creation, and explore our evolution with what Venusian energy was from the beginning to how it's evolved and has become way more embodied today. So with that, I wanna open the field.

Invite everyone to take a deep breath into their body, breathing deeply into the belly or the pelvic floor, whatever feels good, and feel into that Venusian energy. Venusian energy is magnetism, openness, receptivity, beauty, adoration, and sensuality. And notice where that comes up for you in the body.

Where do you sense it? Where do you feel it? How is it moving you? Is it inviting you to take a deeper breath to hold yourself?

And be here with it for a couple of moments. Well, actually, for a whole episode and maybe even bring it into the rest of your day. But that is what we are connecting to today, as we're gonna talk about Sovnuchin, which I'm actually gonna let Milena explain that a little bit.

Milena (02:20):  So, yes, as you can see, So Venusian is the title of this episode. And this is the tagline that just came through, as Meaghan and I started creating Venusian Womb and connecting to this Venusian energy so much more.

And I'm so grateful for the way you introduce that because that is the Venusian energy. This openness, this beauty, this connection and receptivity. And for there to be a connection, there needs to be this openness. There needs to be this curiosity even to be able to receive, to receive someone else in connection, to receive yourself, to receive your own pleasure and your own embodied presence and experiencing of a moment. And that's every moment. And that's the beauty of tapping into this Venusian energy and just this frequency within the field, right? Like everything, you can find Venusian energy and beauty and radiance and everything around you when you are tapping into this energy and allowing it to move through your life, allowing it to move through the ways that you are seeing life, the ways that you are experiencing it and connecting to it and connecting to others. And it's been lovely to tap into this energy more, understanding it through both our lived experiences and this creative process. And I'm curious, Meaghan, if you have anything else to add about just tapping into this energy.

Meaghan (03:56): I do. There are actually two things that were popping into my mind as you were speaking. One: When we first recorded our episode on the Venusian womb, we were very focused on the womb. And I also noticed I'm going to speak for myself here. That was a personal reflection on the womb energy, which I've been more acquainted with embodying. And the Venusian I've always desired to understand and to play with more. But it's still being integrated into my body.

And recently, over the past couple of weeks, there's been this solid integration of what Venusian energy really is. And I'm really excited to speak about it more because having both of these parts of Venusian Womb, Womb has been mostly talked about, but the Venusian, we're slowly bringing and trickling it more in. ⁓ It's something, yeah, it's new. This is still very new for me...

Uncovering what Venusian really means for me personally, and then for us in Venusian Womb and for the collective. There's that. And then also it's interesting, I think, because I had resistance because when Milena said, so Venusian way back when, when we started the resistance that I felt in my body to just that expression, it was like, no, that's never going to catch on. No way, it doesn't even sound good. It didn't even sound good to me at first.

And I caught myself saying it a week ago or two weeks ago or whatever it was now. And it felt so natural and so right. And I looked at myself, and I'm like, I get it. My God. Yes. It's so Venusian. So I want to extend the invitation that if these words, the words we use, the energies we're speaking about, are not landing right away, maybe they won't land ever. But if they're not landing right now and there's resistance, just be curious about it. Because let me tell you, when I feel resistance, I feel resistance. Like it's a block. Like, there's no going forward. We're meeting at that block, and we're just gonna sit with the block for a bit. If the word Womb Venusion or anything else that we're talking about, venusian energy brings up any forms of resistance, just be with it and allow it to soften, meet it. You gotta meet it, that's all. And then, by meeting it, see how it opens? How are you able to receive?

Milena (06:17): Oh my god, I love, I love the ways that your words activate so much in me. And so what's coming through right now is all of those moments of resistance, all of these walls that come up, they're all doorways in. It's always a space for us to get curious about ourselves. And there are always pieces of consciousness or awareness that we can derive from.

Being curious, being open to meeting ourselves and exploring what that doorway is leading you to. And I want to actually, if there's any talk of resistance coming up right now.

And I think for me that resistance, a lot of that has just been feeling this too muchness of it's like too much to be a woman that's in her power, that's in her pleasure, that's in her sensual expression, that is slowly moving through life and taking deep belly breaths.

And I don't know if you've had this experience of like giving yourself a moment to actually slow down in real time, like in, you know, busy city life. I live in Toronto and just watching the way that people are perceiving me as they're, as they're witnessing me in my, in my own slowness and in my own breath and in my own just like moment of presence and

It does feel in those moments like I'm being too much or like I'm being too sensual? Am I being perceived as being sexual? Am I, you know, maybe doing like, just feels like this too muchness. And that's been a huge doorway in for me.

In meeting this Venusian energy and just speaking to the resistance and anyone else as they're listening to this, I want to create this doorway and through this resistance, and to be able to actually open up to what this Venusian energy is. And a very helpful metaphor or visualization that was supportive for Meaghan and me, actually, when we beautifully connected to Venusian energy.

Ceremony with a soul sister, we really just dropped into this Venusian energy field, and we were all connected to the same energy, co-creating and experiencing it at the same time. And what was really supportive for me in that actual experience was understanding, in a more embodied way, what Venusian energy is. Let me see if I have it. I don't have it around me.

But it's this shell instrument, and basically, it's just like, it's all of these hollow shells. You know what? I do desire to go get it.

So, while we were in this trip, I took this instrument and it's just a bunch of hollow shells and just grazing it, grazing it on the skin, feeling the ways that the touch was grounding me in my body, feeling, listening to the sound, the sound as it's trickling, as it's trickling down my body, caressing me.

And that moment, that moment, was the doorway for me to truly understand what it is to slow down and to experience pleasure through our senses in the present moment, because it's only accessible in the present moment when you allow yourself to be open, to be receptive.

And to fully experience and meet the present moment with all of your sensual presence. Call all of your energy and awareness into that moment.

And that was the doorway in. It was an instrument. It was an instrument as simple as this, and taking the time to make, to ritualize it, to ritualize it as a doorway in. And this is an invitation for you: if you have anything, you know, any instrument or tactile tool you could use, that's something I would 100% recommend if you're trying to really connect to this energy from a more somatic space.

Meaghan (10:53): It was insane. When you first took the shell out, I stopped breathing. There was the resistance that had already come through, which I really want to speak to. We're going to be speaking a lot about pleasure and openness and receptivity and allowing yourself to feel your sensuality through your senses. But we as women have been deeply conditioned not to feel our pleasure, to disconnect from our bodies.

To escape. And in that moment when Milena brought it up, as much as I know, because I experienced that with her too, how pleasurable that was, I had a moment of disconnection of, literally, if you probably watch this video, you could see me hold my breath. And then I remind like, breathe, Meaghan, breathe. And we're just talking about pleasure, just talking about sensuality. There is this almost freeze.

There's a survival response that comes through. It's not safe. We're not safe to feel pleasure in our bodies. We're not safe to experience the full extent of our sensory experiencing in the world. And this is something we've been taught. And I think it's really important that we kind of drive this point home because this speaks so much to what Milena was saying about the "too much." I don't want to be too much.

Milena (11:52): Mm-hmm. It's not safe.

Meaghan (12:16): I don't want to take up too much space. I don't want to be too sensual, too sexual, which are two very different things. And I think a lot of the time they get conflated and mixed up together. Sensuality is really how you are experiencing the world through your senses, the pleasure you experience from the world around you, through your sight, what you hear, what you smell, what you taste, what you touch. And sexuality, that's when desire comes in, desire and arousal.

So our sensuality can be part of our sexuality, but it doesn't have to. You could have that beautiful shell that was just grazing on the body. There was nothing sexual about it. It was the sensual feeling of it trickling up your body and the sound in your ear, with the sun that was also on us, and just the being in connection at the same time.

There was this whole proprioception of like, is my body in space in relation to where Milena's body is in space and being in that presence, because to be in your body, to experience your senses, as Milena said, you need to be present with it all in that moment. And the beautiful thing about sensual expression is that that expression of yourself in that moment is going to be unique to that moment. How you experience your pleasure moment to moment will be different.

And you have to honour it. So maybe one day, like that day was great. We love that little shell, still love it right now. It's like making me feel juicy and all, but depending on where I was, if I was overwhelmed or if I was tired, if there was some other state I was in, maybe the way we were playing with the shell would be different. Maybe we would have done it in our legs. We were using it a lot on our upper body, but we were open to exploring and curious about how your body responds to the external world, or how your senses respond to it.

Meaghan (14:08): Right here, right now. And that is very Venusian, so Venusian.

Milena (14:12): That it's so beautiful because it's like, there's that and then there's the there's the other element that's happening in parallel, which is the softening, the softening that is required within the body, the surrender within the mind, the presence, calling all of your energy and your attention into the present moment.

And saying everything else that I may be thinking about that may come into my mind, I am going to, I will deal with that later. That is not part of this container that I'm creating right now. And that's ritual. That's really the ritual of giving yourself the space and the time to drop into your embodied experience and what is alive right now.

How is your sensual, sensory expression or experiencing of the world around you, how is that activating you? Is that giving you pleasure? Are you meeting resistance? And being able to soften into whatever is there. And like Meaghan said, depending on how your day went, depending on the energy that you're coming into this moment with, that's going to perhaps bring up resistance.

And it's going to invite you into deeper softening and surrender. And the reason we were even able to access this state in that moment, when we were in the ceremony, is that we were all in a process of softening and surrendering.

And the first part of that to even get to that place of understanding, like, ⁓ I get it. Like the sovnushen, I get what this energy is because I'm experiencing it through all these different musical tools and tactile things around me. Even just being connected to the earth, feeling the sun on your skin, the warmth, the warmth of that energy.

The grass, the grass around you, the crunchiness of the leaves. Like, there are all of these different elements, and it's such an innocent, it's such an innocent exploration of your sensuality. Like Meaghan said, there is no, when you're in this space of Venusian energy, there is no sexual energy that's coming in. Even if there is, it's a personal experience of that.

It's like you are being turned on by yourself. There's nothing else in how you are, how you are experiencing yourself and the world around you and your sensuality. So it's very interesting to really come at it from this place of innocence and play. And that's why the inner child archetype is so supportive.

Because it's so open and it's so curious, and there is no right or wrong way. It's exploration and then seeing in real time, ooh, ooh, I like this. I don't like this. Let me actually experiment with this tool instead. And I think that when you're able to meet the Venusian energy with openness and curiosity, this is where it can start to move through you.

And you can start to really experience it and see how that Venusian energy moves through you in this moment right now. Because again, how it moves through you right now is not going to be the same as it does. And it's also this practice: the more you allow yourself to come into this receptive space in your body, in your mind, in your life.

The more that you're able to access that, the more accessible that state and that frequency becomes, the more that you're able to notice that in your life and in the world around you and your relationships. And it's been very beautiful. And I think this just kind of weaves us in, bringing us into how this Venusian energy weaves into the Venusian womb.

And I do want to pass the baton off to you, Meaghan, if you have any thoughts that are coming up around that.

Meaghan (18:27): So this Venusian energy and how it relates to the Venusian womb, it is at the essence of me and Milena's friendship, our sisterhood, our relationship, our connection. We have connected through Venus. And what I mean by this is everything we have created, co-created from the beginning.

It really was this co-creation and connection. And it's been through landing in deep presence with each other, being fully witnessed in our sensuality and in what we are experiencing. Because of our sensuality, I think this is where I actually want to speak to some performance that some people might get caught in, performing their sensuality, performing what feels good for them. And then that's, you're missing the whole point.

The minute you start performing what looks good or what might feel good, or my sensuality needs to look sexy and sensual and fluid and smooth, no. Your sensuality might be screaming in the fucking forest. It might be raging. And yes, when Milena was talking about the crunk crumpling the leaves during that ceremony, I had a whole moment where I was in the leaves, like grasping them and crunching them and bringing them to my ears with rage and shaking.

So our sensuality and how this relates to the Venusian Womb is this doorway into the whole human experience of emotion and feelings, and then also bringing that into connection together. And then from there, we co-create the ma- that's where our magic happens. That's where everything we've birthed this podcast, our women's circles, our collective, it's birthed from this place of connection and co-creation through sensuality through being present together through our intention of being in the moment and acknowledging the beauty of everything around us, the beauty of the light, the beauty of the shadow and integrating that together. So it might be a little bit more abstract because then we have the womb to support the cycle of everything we're doing as we move through all of this. But the Venusian energy is our anchor point for bringing us deeply together.

And into the moment and into ourselves, really into our embodiment. So that's how I see it connects to Venusian Womb. Do you have something you want to add?

Milena (20:58): Yes, I do. And it's just so beautiful. I just can't even, it makes me smile so much, it's just connecting to this divine love. It's connecting to this divine mother love, of just unconditional love. And I don't mean unconditional love bypassing.

Milena (21:27):  There is still very much acknowledgement of, you know, all parts of self, but it's an unconditional love of all parts are welcome here. All parts are allowed to have a seat. All parts can be loved and are worthy of love. And coming into this space within self and holding spaces where this is the foundation.

This is the container; all of you are welcome here. Even the parts of you that you feel are not even lovable, that's allowed, and that's loved. And it's this space of just loving awareness, of compassion, of meeting self and really integrating all parts of self, even the parts that feel very messy. And the parts that can be hurtful, the parts that can be chaotic when we allow them to lead.

And maybe there's also shame, like these parts have been hurtful to others. And there's guilt. And that's also, again, how can love penetrate even through that? Even through the guilt, even through what's already happened, the past, what's happened in the past, what actions have been done. Because that's when we can love even those most unlovable parts of ourselves, that's how we are actually truly integrating that and calling ourselves into our fullness, into our wholeness, into realizing that that is part of also being human. It's about bringing love to all parts of ourselves. And again, it doesn't mean that love justifies or bypasses or implies that that's okay.

There is also a confrontation of the self. And we sometimes think it has to be hard and painful. And it doesn't mean that it won't be because it's that, and it can be beautiful, and it can be expensive, and it can be opening. It can open your perception in a way that hardship, that discomfort, is confronting; that's the catalyst for that perspective to open.

For your mind to open, for your heart to open. And that's necessary. Like that's part of it, it gets to be beautiful and love-filled, too. And that's been a massive part of this Venusian energy: understanding that it's not just this love when you are in your light. It is this love, this beauty, this radiance.

And this pleasure also, because again, it's bringing you even deeper into your own expression. It's allowing you to grow. It can also be pleasurable. And it's just being able to really allow the and. It can feel uncomfortable, and there can be resistance, and it can feel confronting. And it can also be very beautiful, transformative, expansive, and softening.

So there is. It's very beautiful to really weave this energy into even the shadow, because it's so supportive in navigating it. And it's been really this foundation of love, of like unconditional love.

That is going to be there and hold you, even in your mess.

Even when you're in that rock bottom moment, that tower moment, where things are coming into your awareness in a new way. And that can be very confronting again. There may be someone in your life who is mirroring that for you, and it's confronting. And I found that bringing in this love, holding these spaces, and even creating everything we've created has come from this place of love and devotion.

To this frequency and this energy, and just the ways that it's been guiding us also in the creation process of the Venusian Womb.

Meaghan (25:58): And I'd love to add that even as we're dancing with the light and the shadow, as we're moving through both, when we can weave pleasure in to those shadowy spaces, it's revolutionary. It's like neurochemistry rewiring, because then you are literally diluting the shadow's shame and opening yourself up to more. And pleasure is your birthright.

Every single human person listening to this podcast gets to experience their own pleasure, their own way, because nobody else is in their body. We are the only person living in this tangible body that is moving around in this earthly world. And we are the only ones who are going to sense from it. So nobody else gets to experience your sensuality, your pleasure, the way you do. It would be silly.

To not fully experience it. And especially to weave it into the moments when you think you don't deserve it most, or you cut yourself off from it most. Really, it's allowing that pleasure to open you up more in those darker spaces; that's going to shift you out of them. And we have seen this time and time again when we sit with our shadow, when we sit in ritual and ceremony together, and the heaviness or the harder human emotions are present, we always find a way to weave pleasure in somehow. And honestly, I want to speak to tantrums right now, because tantrums are a great way. I've said it quite a few times in the first few episodes. Still, tantrums are also this other doorway into experiencing pleasure, because you're then meeting the shadow, you're meeting the emotion instead of, and we're not trying to say here, ⁓ I don't want to feel that, let's go to pleasure. Like this doesn't serve me, let's shift to this. No, no, no, that's absolutely not what we're saying.

Meaghan (27:54):  Meet the emotion you're having, experience it fully, whatever that may look like. Whether that's throwing a book around, slamming onto a pillow, screaming, yelling, letting it come out, twerking, shaking your body so that you can move, and there's room for something more to come through. And then there is, I love how Miles said in our last episode, there's the calm after the chaos. It is inevitable.

It is going to happen. You just don't hold back. Don't resist. The more you resist, the more you restrain, the more you stop yourself from feeling, the more, again, I don't even know what to call them, heavy emotions, the more those ones, the more you're gonna stay there because you're not moving through it. You're not allowing the emotion, the energy to move. And we always have a good laugh after I throw a tantrum. I'm throwing tantrums all the freaking time.

And Milena just lovingly sits there and holds me in them. And then eventually I have a breakthrough, because you always break through the tantrum, and it's like, I feel so much better now. Now I could laugh. Now I could feel my bum on the chair again. I'm not just dissociated in my head. So allowing yourself to move through that is so Venusian. It's the beauty, the shadow, all of it integrated together, allowing yourself to have your human experience, to be human, to be messy, and then to

Pop out and like cycle with it, because then the womb comes in, right? Because we get to cycle through it all together.

Milena (29:32):  And that's the thing, bringing beauty. Bringing pleasure, bringing presence, bringing embodiment to these spaces within self, whatever parts of self, whether it's the shadow, whether it's the light, whatever parts of you are coming through, being able to meet it with this in this Venusian way, it really expands your capacity. It expands your capacity to experience the heavier emotions.

In the moments when life tests you, because that's inevitable, we all, at some point, will go through some hardship in our lifetime. Unfortunately, there's no way to bypass it. And also, fortunately, because all of those are doorways for us to meet ourselves more deeply and explore how we are choosing to show up. Who are we? How are we choosing to be in this world?

In terms of our service, in terms of showing up for ourselves and for our loved ones. What's the frequency that we're putting out in the world? What are we creating? From what frequency are we creating? This is our thoughts, our projects, our actions, like anything. We are all creating in every moment. And so it's really beautiful. Think, yeah, as we're weaving this Venusian energy, it increases the capacity for fullness.

For the full spectrum, for the light, for the dark, for there to be both. To be able to experience the most beautiful, blissful moments to its fullness, to the fullest capacity that you can in that moment. To be able to meet the dark and to let yourself go there. To let yourself meet what's present fully in that moment. Because, like Meaghan said, when you let yourself fully go into it, you're letting it go. That's discharging it.

That also supports your mind not getting stuck in all these stories about what it means and what it's telling you, and in the narratives we build in the mind because we're human, which can keep us stuck. It can keep us stuck in this rumination and these emotions and the stagnancy of these emotions. And it's been.

I do feel very called to share that it's been very interesting. Think myself also navigating this in my own life experiences and initiations happening in real time is also being able to meet, being able to meet these darker parts of self and giving them full expression has been so helpful to actually relieve so much of that heaviness, to be able to let go of the stories, the stories of blame, the stories of

You did this to me, even if it's justified, even if, you know, it feels unjust, whatever is happening, and I don't want it, and it's not fair, and like all these things that our ego is not accepting. When we are actually able to just focus on the energy and moving the energy through, it does support for a lot of these thoughts and a lot of these attachments and a lot of these stories to also dissipate.

And that's why it's like, can't meet the mind with the mind. You're not gonna move through these mental stories in your mind. You gotta do it through your body. That's the access point. And that's also where the Venusian energy is so helpful. Like, how can I access my body from a doorway that's, it's more in its light. There's a bit more pleasure. Even if that pleasure is like, let me fully go into it. So.

Yeah, I mean, like this is in essence how we create the spaces that we co-create with everyone present, Meaghan and I. And it's really helpful, I find when you know, this isn't something that you've been practicing, perhaps this is a new way of being I know for us it has been this has been a completely new way of being and a new way of learning how to be human and that's also why we're here to guide.

Milena (33:45): To support you in accessing these doorways into yourself and into really feeling your embodied presence and what's here right now in this moment without needing to run away, without needing to shut it down, without needing to meet it with judgment, but to just meet it with love and presence and then having these tools and these resources to support you.

Meaghan (34:16): I invite everybody to take a deep breath. So for us, that is the essence of Venusian energy. And we are so excited to see how it's gonna keep unfolding for us and keep bringing us more deeply into our own embodiment, as it's a cycle. As we all know, we return to the same point we were originally at and go deeper and deeper every time. And the Venusian energy really holds it and holds us in it.

On that note, we would love to announce that the Venusian Womb website is officially launched and ready to run. Not only do we have our podcast episodes that come out every Friday, but we will also be releasing weekly blog posts. So if you don't get enough of us just listening to us, you can go and read some juicy things that are

In relevance to what we're posting on the podcast. Sometimes they may not be, but mostly will. So extra tools, extra resources.

We will see you tune in next week, or see us in the collective or see us online, but see us somewhere.