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Code of Protection

Fri, 17 Apr 2026 13:13:29 GMT

Episode Summary

This episode, Code of Protection, reframes protection from a rigid, fear-based defense into a deeply intentional practice of self-honoring and energetic awareness. Rather than building walls, Meaghan and Milena invite listeners into a more nuanced understanding, one where protection becomes the conscious stewardship of one’s energy, emotions, and inner world.

At its core, protection is about choice, what you allow in, what you hold onto, and what you release. Through this lens, the conversation expands into the concept of energetic hygiene, emphasizing that just as we care for our physical bodies, our inner landscapes require consistent clearing, tending, and discernment.

The episode explores the shadow side of protection, revealing how a lack of awareness can lead to overgiving, emotional entanglement, and porous boundaries that leave us depleted. On the other end of the spectrum, overprotection can manifest as isolation, control, and disconnection. Listeners are guided to recognize these patterns, not as failures, but as invitations to return to energetic sovereignty.

Through grounded practices like closing energetic loops, calling back one’s energy, and clarifying boundaries and standards, the hosts offer a pathway back to coherence and self-trust. Protection, in this sense, becomes less about guarding oneself from the world and more about cultivating a relationship of deep respect with oneself.

Ultimately, the episode positions protection as a living, evolving practice, one that allows for greater openness, intimacy, and connection, not less. When rooted in self-awareness, protection transforms into a powerful act of self-respect, enabling us to engage with the world from a place of fullness rather than depletion.

Key Takeaways

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Calls to Reflection and Action:

Notice where your energy is going, and gently reclaim it. Pay attention to the people, thoughts, and situations that leave you feeling either nourished or drained. Begin practicing small moments of awareness, asking yourself, “Is this mine to carry?” and giving yourself permission to release what isn’t.
Get honest about your boundaries, not as walls, but as acts of self-respect.
Reflect on where you may be overgiving or overextending, and experiment with setting clear, flexible boundaries that allow you to stay in connection without abandoning yourself.
Close the loops that are quietly draining you.
Whether it’s an unresolved conversation, a lingering attachment, or mental “open tabs,” start creating simple rituals to bring things to completion, so your energy can return to you and support your clarity, presence, and well-being.

The Code of Distortion

Fri, 03 Apr 2026 13:21:19 GMT

Episode Summary

This episode explores the “Code of Distortion”, the subtle and often unconscious ways the mind reshapes reality through perception, past experiences, and protective patterns. Milena and Meaghan unpack how these distortions are formed, from conditioning, fear, and the desire to belong, and how they can lead to people-pleasing, overthinking, self-erasure, and a disconnection from our present, embodied truth.

They dive into the shadow side of distortion, revealing how attachment to these mental stories pulls us into performance and away from authenticity, as we attempt to control how we are perceived and maintain a sense of safety. Through relatable examples and grounded reflections, they highlight how these patterns, while protective, can keep us stuck in cycles that no longer serve us.

The episode ultimately offers a path back to clarity and self-trust, inviting listeners to question their inner narratives, loosen their grip on perceived truths, and meet themselves with compassion. The medicine of this code is not perfection, but the courage to see clearly, remove the mask, and return to a more honest, embodied relationship with self.

Key Takeaways

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Calls to Reflection and Action:

Question the stories you’re automatically believing. Start noticing the thoughts that feel most true or familiar, and gently get curious about them. Are they grounded in the present moment, or shaped by past experiences, conditioning, or fear?
Choose self-honesty over performance.
Pay attention to where you may be people-pleasing, overextending, or shaping yourself to be accepted, and experiment with honouring your needs, boundaries, and truth, even when it feels uncomfortable.
Return to your body to access clarity.
When you feel caught in overthinking or emotional reactivity, pause and return to your breath and sensations, allowing space to separate projection from reality and to meet yourself with compassion rather than judgment.

The Code of The Soma

Fri, 20 Mar 2026 13:18:36 GMT

Episode Summary

In this transmission, Milena and Meaghan explore the Code of the Soma, guiding listeners into a deeper relationship with the body's intelligence and what it truly means to live in embodiment.

They unravel the common misunderstanding of “nervous system regulation,” reframing it not as something to fix or calm, but as a practice of attunement, a moment-to-moment awareness of the body’s sensations, needs, and signals. Through this lens, regulation becomes a responsive, intuitive act rooted in presence rather than control, inviting greater choice, autonomy, and self-trust.

The conversation also illuminates the shadow side of the Soma, disembodiment, where patterns like numbness, overfunctioning, burnout, and self-abandonment arise from disconnecting from the body’s cues. By bringing awareness to these patterns with curiosity and compassion, listeners are invited into a more honest and reverent relationship with their inner world.

Ultimately, this episode positions the body as a living compass, one that requires discernment, especially in moments of activation, and deep listening, particularly within the cyclical nature of feminine physiology. It is an invitation to learn the language of your own body, honour its rhythms, and reclaim embodiment as a lifelong, evolving practice of coming home to yourself.

Key Takeaways

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Calls to Reflection and Action:

Notice how you relate to your body in real time. This episode invites you to pause throughout your day and ask, what am I actually feeling right now? Instead of immediately reacting or trying to change your state, can you simply attune to the sensations present and let your body be heard?
Redefine what it means to regulate your nervous system. Rather than defaulting to calming techniques or trying to “fix” your state, explore what it would look like to truly respond to your body’s needs. What is your body asking for in moments of activation, and how can you meet that honestly?
Gently bring awareness to where you may be overriding your body. Reflect on patterns of numbness, overfunctioning, or pushing past your limits. Where might you be disconnecting from your body’s signals, and what would it look like to rebuild trust by listening, honouring, and responding with care?

The Code of The Unknown

Fri, 06 Mar 2026 15:02:03 GMT

Episode Summary

In this transmission of Venusian Womb Codes, Volume 1, Milena and Meaghan explore the tender, disorienting, and deeply transformative terrain of the unknown . Framed as an “incubation chamber,” this episode invites listeners into the in-between space where life is still taking shape — where clarity has not yet arrived, nothing feels fully formed, and the next step cannot be forced.

Together, they unpack the emotional and spiritual reality of living through seasons of uncertainty: the endings, transitions, and identity shifts that strip away predictability and confront us with how little control we truly have. At the heart of the conversation is a powerful truth: the unknown is not empty — it is full of potential . Like the womb itself, it is a space of gestation, re-creation, and unseen becoming.

Milena and Meaghan speak honestly about the shadow that arises in these chapters, especially the ego’s desire to control. Through overplanning, overthinking, comparison, premature decisions, and the search for external reassurance, the mind tries to manufacture safety in a space that is inherently uncertain. But this episode offers a grounding reframe: control is often an illusion of safety , and true safety is not found in certainty, but in our capacity to meet what comes.

Through personal reflection, including Milena’s story of career transition and prolonged uncertainty, the episode brings this teaching into lived reality. Listeners are reminded that surrender is not passivity or collapse, but a courageous softening — a willingness to stay open, present, and trusting even when the path ahead is not yet visible. Faith, in this context, becomes less about knowing the outcome and more about trusting oneself and trusting life.

This conversation is an invitation to release the grip, honor the discomfort of transition, and meet the unknown not as punishment, but as sacred preparation. It is for anyone navigating change, loss, reinvention, or the quiet becoming that happens before a new chapter fully arrives.

Key Takeaways

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Calls to Reflection and Action:

Notice where you may be trying to control what is asking to be surrendered. This episode invites you to reflect on how the unknown brings up your desire to overplan, overthink, seek reassurance, or force clarity before it’s ready. Where in your life are you gripping for certainty instead of allowing the next step to unfold?
Reframe the unknown as a space of potential, not just emptiness.
Rather than seeing uncertainty as a void or a problem to solve, you’re invited to view it as a season of gestation — a space where something new is quietly forming. What if this chapter is not a pause in your life, but part of the preparation for what is coming next?
Build trust in your ability to meet life as it comes. One of the deepest invitations in this episode is to shift your definition of safety. Safety does not come from having all the answers, but from trusting your capacity to respond, adapt, and stay with yourself through change. How might your life soften if you believed you could handle the unknown, one step at a time?

The Code of Internal Worth

Fri, 20 Feb 2026 15:03:36 GMT

Episode Summary

In the first transmission of Venusian Womb Codes, Volume 1 , Milena and Meaghan introduce the Code of Internal Worth, a foundational teaching that invites listeners to remember a simple but often forgotten truth: your worth is not something you earn, prove, or perform for, it is something you already possess simply by existing.

The episode explores how many women unconsciously live in the shadow of worthiness through two common patterns, not enoughness and too muchness . Insufficiency can show up as overgiving, perfectionism, people-pleasing, or constant productivity in an attempt to prove one's value. Too muchness appears when women shrink their voices, edit their expression, or dim their dreams out of fear of being overwhelming, intense, or rejected. Both patterns stem from the same root, the belief that belonging must be earned rather than inherently held.

Rather than framing these patterns as flaws to fix, the conversation invites listeners to meet them with compassion and awareness. The shadow, they explain, is not evidence of failure; it is a protective response shaped by the nervous system’s desire for safety and connection. Through radical honesty, self-acceptance, and recognizing where validation is being sought externally, listeners can begin returning to a deeper sense of internal worth.

Milena and Meaghan also emphasize that reclaiming worth is not a one-time realization but a lifelong spiral of awareness. As we grow, new layers of the shadow will surface, offering further opportunities to deepen self-compassion and embodiment.

Ultimately, the Code of Internal Worth is an invitation to shift from conditional worth, based on performance, approval, or achievement, to unconditional worth rooted in self-recognition. Through authentic expression, relational witnessing, and the courage to show up fully as ourselves, we begin to experience a profound truth that our presence alone already carries value.

This episode opens the season’s integration journey, laying the groundwork for the next five codes by reminding listeners that before any transformation can occur, one must first remember their inherent worth.

Key Takeaways

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Calls to Reflection and Action:

Begin noticing where your worth feels conditional. Pay attention to the moments when you feel you must perform, achieve, or prove yourself to feel valuable. This awareness can help you gently shift from earning worth to remembering that your value already exists within you.
Get curious about your shadows of “not enough” and “too much.” Notice where you may overextend yourself to prove you are enough, or where you shrink your voice, dreams, or expression because you fear being too much. Meeting these patterns with compassion rather than judgment is the first step toward integrating them.
Practice returning to internal validation. Instead of relying solely on approval, recognition, or productivity to feel worthy, explore what it looks like to anchor your worth in your values, your self respect, and your radical acceptance of being human, messy parts included.

The Sacred Pause Before Birth

Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:37:17 GMT

Episode Summary

In this closing episode of the season, Venusian Womb reflects on the profound and often uncomfortable process of gestation, the unseen phase of creation where both the dream and the dreamer are reshaped. Milena and Meaghan share candidly about the two year journey behind the podcast, revealing how gestation demands surrender, patience, and deep inner transformation before anything tangible can be born into the world.

They explore how the creative process exposes hidden parts of the self, challenges identity, expands nervous system capacity, and dismantles the need for external validation. Rather than romanticizing the process, they speak honestly about the confusion, frustration, and devotion required to continue moving forward when there is nothing visible to show for the work.

The episode closes by honouring the sacred pause that precedes birth and offering core truths about creation, including that real dreams cannot be rushed, confusion often signals reorganization, and the body often knows the timing of a dream long before the mind understands it. Looking ahead, they introduce the next chapter of the podcast, Venusian Codes, a shorter visual lesson series inspired by teachings from their women’s circles, while hinting at future projects and the eventual season dedicated to the process of birth.

Ultimately, this episode is both a reflection and a blessing for anyone navigating the invisible stages of bringing a dream to life, reminding listeners that the unseen work is not emptiness; it is the roots growing beneath the surface.

Key Takeaways

This episode of The Venusian Womb Podcast is available on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , and wherever you get your podcasts.

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Calls to Reflection and Action:

Trust the invisible phase of your dreams. If you feel like nothing is happening yet, consider that you may be in a gestation period where the real work is internal, reshaping your identity, capacity, and nervous system so you can actually hold what you are trying to create.
Allow parts of you to evolve or fall away. As you move toward a dream, notice what identities, patterns, or beliefs the process is asking you to release so that the version of you capable of holding that creation can emerge.
Practice honouring the sacred pause before action. If life is slowing you down, feel confused, or asking you to integrate what you have learned, treat it as preparation rather than failure, a moment where your body and intuition are aligning before the next stage of creation begins.

The Year The Fantasy Died

Fri, 19 Dec 2025 14:45:29 GMT

Episode Summary

In this deeply reflective end-of-year conversation, Milena and Meaghan look back on 2025 as a year of profound unraveling, radical honesty, and embodied transformation. What began with a powerful opening ritual at the start of the year became a prophetic initiation into the lessons they would spend the next twelve months living, testing, and integrating in real time.

Together, they explore the identity-level shedding that defined their year: releasing the “good girl,” moving from rescuing to embodied leadership, breaking fantasy-based ways of relating, and learning to hold themselves with greater self-responsibility, compassion, and truth. They speak candidly about the grief of no longer waiting to be saved, the humbling process of self-resourcefulness, and the inner work required to meet life without illusion.

A central thread of the episode is faith. Both women share how 2025 unexpectedly deepened their relationship to God, devotion, and spiritual surrender — not as a bypass, but as a grounded, intimate practice of being held through uncertainty, ego death, grief, and growth. They also reflect on the power of reframing reality, questioning the stories that shape perception, and seeing mistakes not as proof of failure, but as data for deeper wisdom.

The conversation closes with a raw and honest exploration of sisterhood wounds, accountability, and what it truly means to be in real relationship with other women. Rather than presenting healing as polished or perfect, Milena and Meaghan offer a more human truth: that growth is messy, belonging is still possible within imperfection, and real sisterhood is built through honesty, repair, and love.

This episode is an invitation to pause, reflect, and honor your own year of becoming — with all its endings, lessons, tenderness, and initiations.

Key Takeaways

This episode of The Venusian Womb Podcast is available on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , and wherever you get your podcasts.

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Calls to Reflection and Action:

Notice where you may still be performing goodness instead of honoring truth. This episode invites you to reflect on the roles, masks, or survival strategies you’ve outgrown — especially the “good girl” pattern of pleasing, self-abandoning, or prioritizing others over your own needs. Ask yourself where your growth is asking for more honesty, clearer boundaries, and a deeper allegiance to your authentic self.
Practice becoming your own source of grounding, validation, and leadership. Rather than waiting to be chosen, rescued, or made whole by someone else, this conversation invites you to come back to your own inner resourcing. What would shift if you trusted yourself more deeply, tended to your inner child, and met your life from a place of embodied leadership instead of external dependence?
Let your mess, mistakes, and relationship challenges become places of growth, not shame. One of the core invitations of this episode is to meet your humanity with compassion. Whether through reframing old stories, learning from failure, or navigating sisterhood wounds, you’re invited to see that healing is not about perfection. It’s about accountability, repair, and allowing your hardest lessons to become wisdom.

The Matriarch Within

Fri, 12 Dec 2025 00:00:14 GMT

Episode Summary

This episode is a deeply embodied, heart-led conversation on reclaiming the matriarch within, not as a role of dominance or control, but as an inner orientation rooted in love, truth, accountability, and sacred self-governance. Joined by special guest Jennifer, co-founder of the Sisterhood of Mū, Milena and Meaghan explore what it truly means to live matriarchy as an embodied practice rather than a conceptual ideal.

At the center of the dialogue is a redefinition of the matriarch as a woman who leads through presence, wisdom, and integrity. The matriarch is described as one who holds counsel rather than power over others, who meets both beauty and mess with compassion, and who governs herself through embodied values rather than external authority. Through ancestral stories, lived experiences, and spiritual remembrance, the matriarch emerges as an anchor for family, community, and collective healing.

The episode weaves together themes of mothering, sisterhood, and accountability. Jennifer shares vulnerably about learning to mother herself through her own journey of parenting, healing inner child wounds, and unlearning inherited patterns. The mother archetype is framed as the keeper of unconditional love, attunement, and co-regulation, not only for children, but for the self across all stages of life. This self-mothering becomes the foundation for healing sister wounds and repairing relational ruptures with honesty and care.

A powerful through line of the conversation is the reclamation of healthy sisterhood. Rather than idealizing harmony or perfection, sisterhood is presented as a living practice of reflection, repair, and growth. The hosts speak openly about betrayal, shame, conflict, and the fear of being exiled from the community after making mistakes. In contrast, matriarchal sisterhood invites accountability without punishment, reconciliation without humiliation, and belonging without conditions.

The episode also expands into themes of fertility and creation, both physical and creative. Fertility is explored as an energetic state tied to the womb, nervous system regulation, and creative flow, rather than solely reproduction. The conversation critiques modern sterility, burnout, and over-reliance on productivity, performance, and external validation, calling listeners back into embodied creativity, intuition, and trust in their innate magic.

Ultimately, this episode is an invitation to remembrance. A remembrance that belonging is inherent, that every being has medicine to share, and that healing happens not in isolation but in relationship. Through the lens of the matriarch, listeners are invited to soften, take responsibility for their truth, honour boundaries without withdrawing love, and participate in a more compassionate, honest, and fertile way of being with themselves and one another.

About Jennifer
Jennifer is a Mū Mother, holistic healer, wisdom keeper, and spiritual teacher devoted to dissolving illusion and guiding women back to their soul truth. Her work centers on womb activation, remembrance, and restoring the feminine through love, counsel, and embodied leadership.

Connect with Jennifer:
Instagram: @livingkuleana
Instagram ⁍ Sisterhood of Mū: @sisterhood.of.mu
Website: https://sisterhoodofmu.square.site

Key Takeaways

This episode of The Venusian Womb Podcast is available on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , and wherever you get your podcasts.

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Calls to Reflection and Action:

Reclaim the matriarch within as an inner orientation, not a role to perform. Begin practicing self governance rooted in presence, integrity, and compassion, leading your life from embodied values rather than external authority or control.
Practice self mothering as a foundation for healing and relationship. Notice where your inner child is seeking safety, attunement, or care, and meet those needs with tenderness and accountability, allowing this self relationship to repair sisterhood wounds and deepen trust with others.
Engage sisterhood as a living practice of reflection and repair. Let conflict, mistakes, and discomfort become invitations for honest dialogue and growth rather than reasons to withdraw or self exile, remembering that true belonging is sustained through responsibility, care, and shared humanity.

When Desire Goes Quiet

Fri, 05 Dec 2025 15:45:27 GMT

Episode Summary

This episode is a candid, embodied conversation about desire, not as a constant spark or performance, but as a living, cyclical force that ebbs, quiets, and returns in its own time. Milena and Meaghan open by grounding the listener in gratitude for the growing Venusian Womb community and the early, experimental nature of Season One, naming this chapter as a beta phase of learning, refining, and gestating what wants to come next.

At the heart of the episode is an honest reckoning with the absence of desire. Rather than trying to manufacture inspiration or bypass the discomfort of feeling uninspired, the hosts explore what it actually means when desire goes quiet. They speak vulnerably about burnout, overstructure, perfectionism, and the ways control and survival instincts can suffocate creative life force. Desire, they suggest, often disappears not because something is wrong, but because something is being overmanaged, judged, or forced before it is ready.

Through somatic reflection and lived examples, the episode reframes lack of desire as a messenger rather than a problem. Numbness, heaviness, shutdown, and resentment are explored as signals inviting pause, tenderness, and deeper listening. Instead of asking, “How do I fix this?”, the invitation becomes, “How can I meet this?” This shift opens space for devotion, refinement, and a more sustainable relationship to creation.

Milena and Meaghan also weave in powerful metaphors, from messy childhood art projects covered in glitter to the innocence of inner-child play to the quiet potency of creating without an audience. They challenge the modern impulse to document and perform every creative moment, inviting listeners to reclaim private, unproductive, unshareable creation as a vital source of aliveness and embodiment.

The episode closes with a return to heart-led creation. Desire is framed not as something to chase, but as something that emerges naturally when creation is rooted in love rather than validation, outcome, or perfection. Whether desire is a whisper or completely absent, this conversation reminds listeners that they are not failing the process. They are in it. Gestating, being recreated, and learning how to stay present with the mess, the pauses, and the slow, sacred unfolding of what wants to be born.

Key Takeaways

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Calls to Reflection and Action:

Let the absence of desire be information, not a problem to solve. When motivation, inspiration, or aliveness goes quiet, treat it as a signal inviting pause, curiosity, and care rather than something you need to fix or force back into existence.
Give yourself permission to create messily and without an audience. Notice where perfectionism, performance, or the need to share is suffocating your creative flow. Experiment with creating purely for yourself, playing, exploring, and letting your inner child lead without needing a polished outcome.
Return to heart-led creation instead of outcome-driven effort. Reconnect with why you are creating in the first place and allow your work to come from love rather than validation, control, or survival. Desire often re emerges when creation becomes an act of devotion rather than a demand.

Why Women's Circles Feel Scary and Why They Matter

Fri, 21 Nov 2025 15:45:26 GMT

Episode Summary

This episode is an intimate, demystifying conversation about women’s circles, why they matter, and what actually happens when women gather in intentional space. In a Q and A style dialogue, Milena and Meaghan address the fears, resistance, and misconceptions that often arise around women’s circles, especially for those carrying sisterhood wounds or past relational pain. They speak directly to the hesitation many women feel, naming the fear of vulnerability, the pressure to perform, and the belief that you need to be healed, spiritual, or “ready” before you belong.

At the core of the conversation is a redefinition of sisterhood. Rather than something idealized or performative, sisterhood is described as a lived, embodied experience of being seen, held, and witnessed in one’s humanity. The hosts explore how many of our deepest wounds are relational and how healing those wounds requires returning to relationship in a safe, contained way. Women’s circles become a space where shame dissolves through shared experience, where “me too” moments restore self trust, and where vulnerability becomes a doorway to liberation rather than something to fear.

Milena and Meaghan emphasize that their womb circles are not about spectacle, catharsis, or spiritual performance. There are no expectations to share more than feels right, no hierarchy, no fixing, and no pressure to arrive in a certain state. Instead, these circles are co created spaces where autonomy, consent, confidentiality, and embodied presence are foundational. The absence of cameras and recordings is intentional, allowing women to soften, remove masks, and show up exactly as they are without external eyes shaping their experience.

The episode also explores what happens when women come to circle feeling unready. Feelings of being too much or not enough are welcomed rather than resisted, and the power of co-regulation is highlighted as a natural, deeply feminine process. Through shared presence, nurturing attention, and collective attunement, women are supported in integrating life experiences, navigating emotional intensity, and moving through liminal or uncertain seasons without isolation.

Listeners are also guided through what to practically expect in a womb circle, from the opening agreements and intention setting, to themed teachings, sharing, embodiment practices, sound integration, and post circle support. The importance of community beyond the circle itself is underscored, with the collective serving as a space for continued connection, integration, and mutual support.

Ultimately, this episode is an invitation. An invitation to move beyond isolation, to meet resistance with curiosity, and to remember that being held in one’s truth is not a luxury but a necessity. It reframes women’s circles as spaces of deep humanity, where connection happens not through stories, labels, or roles, but through presence, honesty, and shared heart.

Key Takeaways

This episode of The Venusian Womb Podcast is available on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , and wherever you get your podcasts.

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Calls to Reflection and Action:

Give yourself permission to belong exactly as you are. Notice where you believe you need to be healed, confident, spiritual, or put together before entering community, and let this be an invitation to show up without fixing yourself first.
Meet your resistance to sisterhood with curiosity instead of judgment. If fear, skepticism, or past relational wounds arise around gathering with other women, explore them gently. These edges often point to places where deeper healing and connection are possible.
Seek spaces that honor consent, safety, and embodied presence. Pay attention to how your body feels in the rooms you enter. Choose communities where you can soften, remove masks, and be witnessed without pressure to perform, share, or become anything other than what you are in the moment

Ego Death and The Masks We Outgrow

Fri, 21 Nov 2025 15:45:24 GMT

Episode Summary

This episode is a deep, unfiltered exploration of ego death, the liminal void that follows, and the masks we outgrow as we evolve. Milena and Meaghan guide listeners through what it actually feels like when identities collapse, timelines shift, and the familiar sense of self dissolves. Rather than spiritualizing the process, they speak candidly about the panic, grief, numbness, irritability, and disorientation that often accompany major transitions, normalizing ego death as a necessary initiation rather than a personal failure.

At the heart of the conversation is the idea that ego death often arrives in response to what we have consciously or unconsciously asked for. Growth, expansion, and new visions require a different capacity, which means the old version of the self must fall away. This creates a void where there is nothing to cling to, no clear narrative, and no solid identity to perform. In this space, the ego scrambles for safety through familiar stories, victimhood, control, or performance, even when those strategies no longer fit.

The episode moves into a powerful discussion on masks, the roles we wear to belong, feel safe, or prove who we think we are. Milena and Meaghan unpack how these masks are often invisible to us because we mistake them for our identity. As ego death cracks these masks, shame, fear, and the urge to perform intensify. They explore the somatic signs of masking, such as shallow breath or bodily contraction, and contrast them with the relief and magnetism that emerge when we allow ourselves to be seen without pretense.

Circles and safe relational spaces are presented as crucial containers for this work, places where masks can be gently removed, tried back on, and slowly outgrown without forcing or bypassing. Authenticity, they emphasize, is not about ripping the mask off everywhere, but about discerning where it is safe to soften, be witnessed, and meet oneself honestly. Through shared vulnerability, shame loosens its grip, and belonging becomes rooted in truth rather than performance.

The conversation weaves in reflections on the cyclical nature of life, death and rebirth, contraction and expansion, and the understanding that ego death is not a one time event but a recurring rhythm of becoming human. Using examples like Jim Carrey’s relationship with character and identity, they explore how performance, embodiment, and authenticity coexist, and how depression can sometimes be a deep rest from a role that no longer aligns.

The episode closes with a grounding invitation. Listeners are encouraged to anchor themselves by clarifying their why and their core values, not as fixed answers, but as living reference points. These become a compass through ego death, helping discern which masks align, which no longer fit, and how to stay in integrity when clarity is absent. Ultimately, the episode reframes ego death as a sacred, uncomfortable, and profoundly human process, one that invites devotion, curiosity, and radical honesty as we shed what no longer serves and remember who we are beneath the masks.

Key Takeaways

This episode of The Venusian Womb Podcast is available on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , and wherever you get your podcasts.

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Calls to Reflection and Action:

Allow yourself to be in the void without rushing to fix it. Notice where an old identity, role, or version of you is collapsing and give yourself permission to not know who you are yet. This space of uncertainty is not a mistake, it is an initiation, and meeting it with self trust and patience creates the conditions for what is trying to emerge.
Begin to gently notice the masks you wear and how they feel in your body. Pay attention to moments where you are performing, proving, or forcing yourself to be a certain way in order to belong or feel safe. Let this be an invitation to explore where you can soften, breathe deeper, and allow yourself to be seen more honestly, even if only in small, safe spaces.
Anchor yourself in your why and your values as you move through change. Take time to reflect on what truly matters to you and why you are here, especially when clarity is gone. Let your values become your compass when identity feels fluid, helping you choose integrity, self respect, and authenticity even in the midst of ego death.

The Art of Mental Reframes: Shifting Stories and Finding Freedom (Ft. Steph - Soul's Haven)

Fri, 14 Nov 2025 14:17:42 GMT

Episode Summary

In this heart-opening episode of the Venusian Womb podcast, co-hosts Milena and Meaghan welcome Steph , founder of The Soul’s Haven, a wellness sanctuary near Montreal devoted to helping people rest, realign, and remember their essence. Together, they explore the transformative power of mental reframing, surrender, and compassion as pathways to personal freedom.

Steph shares her journey from control and perfectionism to surrender and flow, and how learning to step outside her own stories allowed her to see life’s challenges as mirrors rather than punishments. She describes reframing as an act of self-love: the ability to shift from “Why is this happening to me?” to “What is this teaching me?” and to meet discomfort with curiosity rather than judgment.

The conversation explores powerful themes of surrender as empowerment , the distinction between control and trust, and the courage it takes to sit in the unknown. Together, the three women discuss the process of alchemizing pain into wisdom, recognizing that emotions are energy moving through us, not who we are.

Steph offers grounded tools for listeners beginning this practice: noticing when emotions arise, naming them without attaching stories, expressing them safely through journaling, movement, or nature, and reconnecting to the breath. She explains how consistent reframing and self-compassion literally reshape the brain, building new neural pathways for peace and resilience.

Milena and Meaghan reflect on their own emotional experiences by honouring frustration, shutdown, and the tender process of rebuilding trust in self and in life. Their dialogue reminds listeners that healing is not about perfection but about presence , patience , and practice .

The episode closes with reflections on divine law , the invisible intelligence guiding life’s rhythm, and how aligning with that flow brings liberation. Steph shares her dream for The Soul’s Haven: to hold space where community, authenticity, and heart-centred living become the foundation for collective healing.

Key Takeaways

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Meaghan (00:57): Hello, hello, welcome to the Venusian Womb podcast. Another week, another Friday, and this week we have a really special guest with us here today. There's so much we could say. This connection with Steph has been so divinely orchestrated since the beginning, and that's a whole story on its own that we're not going to get into today. Still, the love, the admiration, the inspiration that we have towards Steph and I'm pretty sure I see Milena nodding so it's collective, is so grand that we couldn't help but have, we wanted her on this podcast so badly. And we're definitely going to want her on future episodes as well because she has helped move so much in us in the very short time we've known her and the very few times we've met in person. And we wanted to bring her magic and her medicine on to the podcast.

So Steph, I'd love to send it over to you to introduce yourself, where you are here now in this earthly plane and just share a little bit about yourself, whatever it is that's alive for you.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (02:02): Wow, thank you. What a beautiful introduction. I feel the love, and it's so reciprocated. Such an honour to have crossed paths with you both and to be on this journey together, which is both magical and messy in the best of ways. So thank you. Thank you to you. Thank you to the universe.

So who am I? Yeah, my name is Steph. I'm the founder of the Souls Haven. It's a wellness alley just outside of Montreal. Here we curate restorative, heart-centred experiences and essentially invite people to just rest, realign and reconnect with what truly matters. We host events, some are mindful practices, and sometimes energy sound healing.

We have rejuvenating amenities and really just offer opportunities for an immersion so that people can kind of walk themselves back home to their hearts and to each other. And yeah, I guess my mission is to bridge the seen and the unseen to help humanity remember their true essence and inspire a genuine connection really through community and through authentic relating. I think that there's infinite potential in all of us and I think we just need a chance to feel safe enough that we can remember it.

Milena (03:40): Thank you so much, Steph. I mean, Meaghan and I, had the honour of going to the Souls Haven and staying there for a few days. And it was beyond, it was beyond any of our expectations that we had of this space. And I'm not just talking about like the actual space itself and the amenities that are there and just the nature that's around, but also just the energy, the energy of this land, the energy that has gone into curating the space and it's so felt right when you step foot on that land. And I did just want to say that the Souls Haven, it was definitely a space that I feel like held, it held all of us, like it held all of us so beautifully in just what we were meant to experience there and the things that we were meant to work through while we were there. And I'm excited, I'm excited to get into a little bit about just also beyond this space, just the way that Steph, the way that you hold that space and the ways that you lead within the soul's haven because the medicine that you bring is unlike, it's beyond ego, which is so beautiful because I feel like you have this way of just offering such an expanded perspective.

And when Meaghan and I came to Soul's Haven, we were going there with the intention of also seeing what creation would come through in terms of a space that we want to hold. And what we got from that was the clarity of what that creation or co-creation would even look like, as well as also just so much more perspective in terms of how to leave that experience with such a greater, heart-centred perspective of life and just the initiations that we were going through at that time. And one of the things that stood out the most, at least to myself, and this is going a little bit, a little bit different from, guess, our current structure and order of how we're going to go through this conversation. But one of the things that stood out the most was just the way, Steph, that you have this way of shifting perspective.

It's this way of just, and it's shifting perspective slash expanding perspective beyond the stories around circumstantially space time, what's happening in this moment, and the stories of the ego around those circumstances. And I really just wanted to, I guess, open, open some space for conversation around what that process has looked like for you in your life of being able to kind of incorporate these reframes for yourself and for us when we were there.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (06:30): Yeah, thank you. I mean, I wasn't always a reframer. I would refrain from reframing back in the day. And, and ultimately, I think through through the divine lessons of life and just always surrendering. I've arrived to a place where now I'm able to reframe and I cherish reframing and I'm able to step outside of my own stories and really look to the mirrors, to the disco ball that is life. ⁓ And it's changed my life since I started doing that.

I mean, I guess a good, a good place to start would be, you know, what is, you know, holding a mirror and what does it mean to have to, sit outside of yourself and to look at what life is reflecting back at you. It's my new favorite. How are you? How are you? What is the world reflecting back to you right now? This way of just kind of taking a big deep breath in and realizing it's not personal, it's planetary.

Milena (07:45): Mmm. I love that.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (07:50): So, yeah, and then like consciously just being able to accept that we're sovereign beings and that we get to choose how we see life. And that doesn't erase pain. It's not spiritual bypassing. It's a matter of sitting with our pain. It's a matter of looking at what reality is presenting to us, feeling into that and then ultimately sending it love and compassion, surrendering to the divine orchestration and knowing that you're just walking home to yourself.

Meaghan (08:34): I'd love to propose maybe a question or how we can all go deeper because I know a lot of with the word surrender. For me, surrendering feels empowering. It feels like I'm giving it over. But there is a lot of people that frame that as weakness and seeing it as you're weak to surrender or how could you how could surrender surrendering be powerful? And I'd be curious to get both your takes on how surrender if it feels empowering for you as well or if it feels something differently.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (08:40): Yeah.

Meaghan (09:03): And to reframe that weakness that a lot of people still cling or see surrender as weakness.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (09:09): Hmm, I love that. As a former control freak, you know, I was coordinating, I was playing God, I was on top of everything. was visualizing, I could see outcomes, would sit, I would focus, I would set intention, and I would manipulate every single thing that would happen. And nothing, or not nothing, but most things would not go according to plan.

Milena (09:15): Same.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (09:37): And in those moments, I would have to ultimately surrender. Or, find myself at the end of what I thought was going to look like ABCDE, look back and say, well that actually worked out so perfectly and ended up being so much better that this happened this way and that happened that way and that happened that way. And wow, so beautiful. Why did I try so hard to force something rather than going with the flow? So I was then also invited to surrender. So surrendering was happening even when I was trying to orchestrate.

And so now I see power in stepping back and just surrendering from the beginning. Does that mean sitting back and doing nothing? Absolutely not. It means showing up with intention. It means putting in my best effort. It means leading from my heart. But the intention is different. It's not trying to control that outcome. It's allowing what's meant to happen happen, knowing that I showed up fully in the best that I could in that moment with a desire to move something forward or create or create in whatever way creation looks like. mean, that could be getting together with community, that could be working on a work project, that could be a project, that could be, right? Like any task at hand, that could be cleaning the house, et cetera, yeah. What about you, Molina?

Milena (11:02): So what's coming through right now also is that a big part of this process of surrender is also trusting that life is happening for you and trusting that while these stories, because the ego, of how self-aware we may become, and how many beautiful mirrors we may have in our life of people that we can openly share ourselves with and receive perspective from. Despite that awareness, the ego is still always gonna be there. And it has these stories, and the stories are ultimately there to protect us. So those stories, despite the fact that they may feel like they're holding us back, they are trying to keep us safe in a way.

So it's also being able to recognize the stories that may be valid and may be justified and still recognizing that while these stories might be valid and circumstantially things are playing out in the ways that they are, that I am not a victim to it. And I find that that's something that needs to be clarified in terms of surrender is knowing that surrendering is actually one of the most empowering.

One of the like, it's one of the greatest doorways to step into your power because you're really choosing to trust in the fact that everything is happening for you, even when it may be uncomfortable, and it may be initiating you to step up in certain ways. That is also that is the power that is the reclaiming of your power.

And that's a beautiful way to also soften a bit more in the surrender process of I'm not softening because I'm giving up and because I'm a victim of what's going on. But I'm softening because I have this deep trust in the ways that this is leading me to exactly where it is I want to go and also trusting in myself, like trusting in myself to be able to hone in in these opportunities to basically, yeah, have self trust in knowing that whatever comes up, you are able to be adaptable and to be shaped, I guess, be be taught how to show up in a different way so that you are more prepared for the outcome that it is that you want.

Meaghan (12:54): Mm-hmm.

Milena (13:24): And I feel like this whole reframe of victim and the ego stories, because the ego is so good at making up these stories. It's like that shift from victim to an empowered being that where that shift isn't actually more control, it's letting go.

And so I'm really curious to see how we can kind of bring this doorway in of how these perspective shifts, they actually are letting go of that victim. They're letting go of those stories of suffering and of pain that we all experience, regardless of our level of self-awareness. This is just something that's part of being human. And it's something that we need to learn how to navigate with in this human experience.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (14:10): I love that.

Meaghan (14:10): And you can love your stories. You can love your stories of suffering and pain. I love my stories of suffering and pain. Like there's so many of them that I'm not ready to let go of. And that's why even like being like hearing the word victim, there's like shame that pops up at the same time. Cause I'm like, but like, what if I like to be, and then to admit that you like to play the victim, that you like to be in that, that's a whole other place, whole other ballpark, but it's so interesting how that all is happening at the same time.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (14:38): Hmm. And then recognizing that having that awareness. So I think a good one sometimes is Yeah, like, wanting attention, and then how do we show up to get attention that validation so that could be through, ⁓ through acts that feel a bit more grand like dancing and singing or could be through like, well, I get attention when I'm sick, people care for me when I'm sick.

So what story am I gonna tell? ⁓ And then recognizing that in yourself, okay, well, where is this coming from? Why am I doing that? Because I want attention. Well, is there anything wrong with wanting attention? No. Can I love myself for wanting attention? Yes. Can I show myself compassion for wanting attention? Yes. Doesn't everybody want attention? Yes. ⁓ Yeah, so, and then just reframing like that and taking a step back and saying, okay, well, then that's just a human thing.

Now with this knowing, with this sense of looking back in the mirror, and the mirror is so beautiful because, well, we'll go to mirrors later, hold on. But the layers, the layers. But I think, so to your point, Melina, which I deeply appreciate, from an energetic standpoint, for me, surrendering vibrates like incoherence. It's bringing the brain and the heart into a rhythm.

Meaghan (15:46): Hahahaha

Milena (15:46): A whole other other hole.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (16:05): And that can actually be measured by your heart rate. So that's really cool. And then, spiritually, as you were speaking to, it's essentially trusting in the divine law. It's knowing that the universe is working for us, not against us. And from a creation perspective, what's so interesting about surrender is when we surrender, when we harness all of that energy, that power, that force, that we would otherwise be expelling and controlling and worrying and stressing and manipulating outcomes, suddenly all of that energy is harnessed, and it becomes inspiration. It becomes creativity. It allows for flow. And so it's so empowering. It's so empowering.

Milena (16:55): And I just want to say that some of the best creations that have come through in this world have come from that rock bottom moment where you have no choice but to surrender.

You have no choice but to surrender. And that is so beautiful to be able to harness all of that resistance to kind of generally speak on all of these different emotions, to harness all of that resistance and to actually have it grow you, have it teach you something, have it shape you in some way where you're able to create something from it.

Even if that's recreating yourself, recreating a particular, maybe a particular story that is coming through or limitation and being able to redefine that. So it's so beautiful to see how, yeah, how so much of the best art has come from these particular moments where people have had to surrender and beautiful, beautiful art has come from it.

So yeah, it's a it's definitely a beautiful process when we're able to actually use that energy for something that is serving our forward evolution and our growth and is inspiring a bunch of people in the process of it. Like how beautiful is that to share that alchemy with others and to hopefully inspire that alchemy in them and so on and then it just kind of ripples out in the world.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (18:23): And to remember that it's part of the human experience and that we're not alone in that and that we've chosen this and that this is ultimately our playground. And that these feelings and these emotions and these resistances are just passing over us. They are not us. They are just passing over us in a moment in time. And if we can just watch it pass over us without attaching a story to it. That it can be transmuted almost instantaneously and turned into beautiful art and creation.

Meaghan (18:55): To feed off of that. I'd love to just add a quick thing there. Something I had seen that I've been working at bringing in is that instead of saying I am sad or I am angry, anger is passing through me, sadness is passing through me, so that it's not a clinging to that emotion or that feeling and putting it in the body and saying this is a state of being that I am in, it's I'm in flow, this is moving through me, because emotion is energy in motion.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (19:26): Yeah, and I mean, to show how far the English language has come in old Celtic rituals and ⁓ literature, they did not say, I am sad. They said, I have sadness on me. I have anger on me. I have happiness on me. So that we don't become attached to these different states of being, but rather just witness them for what they are with reverence.

Meaghan (19:42): Yes, you will remember using them.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (19:53): And when we take that step back and witness these feelings with reverence, we become less connected to the emotion as the human experience and more just aware of the range of possibilities.

Milena (20:08): So I do have a question for those of us that are exploring, bringing awareness to these moments where we're being called to surrender, where we're being faced with these stories that are coming from our mind and our ego trying to keep us safe and feeling the emotional uprising of all of these emotions that come through when we're meeting resistance, when we're in these moments where we're trying to control and that control freak is dying because there is nothing to control.

Sometimes there are moments like that where it's like, actually, this is out of my control. And so in those moments where we're bringing this awareness to that whole experience on an emotional level, on a story level, mental level, how do we how do we meet that? Like, you talk about this instantaneous transmuting of those stories. And for those of us that this might be new, and we don't have the practice of doing that it's something that may take a bit of time to actually get to. So I'm curious, Steph, if you have any, maybe any advice or any tips for someone that's like really just starting to really meet themselves in this moment, what would you say to them?

Steph - The Souls' Haven (21:24): Yeah, I would say show yourself love and compassion. We were not historically programmed, taught, given the opportunity to learn this from an early age. And it takes time. And we're all human. And sometimes we're able to do it on the spot and other times it takes a little bit longer depending on the experiences that we're going through. And all of that is perfect. All of that is okay.

Really just coming back to that place of loving compassion for the self. But yeah, so reframing, again, like I think the thing with transmuting is to remember that it's not erasing the pain. We are going to have feelings. We are going to feel happy, sad, frustrated, jealous, tired. And the invitation is to really just witness it and just say, I have this on me right now. Not, I am sad and tired because da da da da, but I have this on me right now. And it's actually wild how quickly that feeling will soften once it's seen. So that tightness in your throat, that weight on your chest, ⁓ the squeezing in your heart, if you're having, you know, if you're feeling a bit unloved or not loving yourself.

If you have a rising of a desire to cry, just seeing it and calling it out and giving it a name without creating a story, I think is the first invitation. And then the more we do that, the more that becomes a new habit for us. So reframing is definitely how we alchemize energy. So taking something that feels like a pain or an emotion moving over us and turning it into wisdom, but on an actual neuroscience level.

It's super powerful because these acts of witnessing it on us versus taking it and running with it as a story of what's happening to us literally rewires our brain. So every time we choose this higher perspective, this perspective of love and compassion, this perspective of this is the human experience, we strengthen a new neural pathway of safety, trust, and ultimately possibility.

So I think, and I think, you know, I think we brought this up a little bit earlier about like the aspect of bypassing reality. So reframing really isn't about bypassing reality. It's really about just sitting with the feelings and then reauthoring it. Realigning with what's happening and creating coherence between what's happening in the body, what's happening in the mind and then ultimately knowing that as within, so without, what's happening within us is going to be reflected back to us by the world around us.

Meaghan (24:25): Mm-hmm.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (24:26): Hehehehehe. And that reflection back, this is where things become increasingly, as we could say, maybe more challenging. Because what's being reflected back is aspects of ourselves that are asking to be integrated and seen through love and compassion. So every trigger that we have is really just an invitation to heal. Just to be seen, just to be heard, to be felt with love and compassion. And to be transmuted, just like that.

And as you practice this, as you invite this into your life, it becomes easier and easier. And at the same time, there's still situations where it's difficult. With your partner, with your biggest mirrors, your family, your significant others, with our pets. With our pets as well.

Milena (25:25): Thank you.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (25:31): The triggers are more present, the triggers are more real, and the triggers are pushing things even deeper inside. But nevertheless, it's an invitation to heal.

Milena (25:44): I do just want to say that I feel like in this process, it's the yes and. So it's like, it's yes, there's these stories that are playing out. And I would say that the stories are really they live in the mind. And then there's like the emotions that are coming through, which can feel like this soup of just like, emotions. And sometimes there's multiple emotions that are being felt at the same time that it's hard sometimes to discern even exactly what they are.

Feels like this overwhelming, overcast blanket of just like heavy energy. And it's so interesting when we're in that space is like that can exist. And that probably will be there, especially if you haven't been practicing this reframing, but it's the yes and. So it's like, how can that experience be present and also expand expanding perspective to let me meet my humaneness with love and compassion.

Because ultimately, again, it's these are the parts of us that are wanting to be seen. And there may be lessons for us in that process, you know, like sometimes that rock bottom moment may come from a big lesson of I maybe I hurt someone. And so that's part of the lesson of I was hurtful to someone else and I'm having to sit with these emotions. And sometimes you want to fix something right away and just have it get to the outcome, you know, get to the outcome where it's fixed and it's, good and we're moving on and everything's back to being like high vibe. And in those moments where that's not possible, it's like, okay, well, I can't control this outcome right now.

And so because of that, how can I detach from that and just be in the process? And then the being in the process is how can I add this perspective? How can there maybe be both where there is this difficulty as I'm moving through it and meeting myself and meeting the messy and also understanding that this is a moment for me to learn and this is a moment for me to meet myself and to have love for the ways that as humans we are all imperfect.

And that's even more helpful because our egos can tend to be self-centered sometimes and we forget that actually, despite the fact that we're all trying to be as conscious and weak as we can and live in our hearts, that we are all human and that we are all learning. We're all here in this earth school, walking each other home, learning these lessons of how to be more in the expression of love. And it's really like when we're not able, so what I'm trying to say is when we're not able to reframe immediately sometimes, it's how can we at least hold both?

How rather than just like, I'm just, felt the emotion and all the heaviness and now I've alchemized it and now that's not present, that might not be the case right away, but how can we have that and also have this other perspective? And then it's just as much as we can trying to what we are putting our attention on is where energy is going. So how can we continuously tap into this reframe that we're creating for ourselves? And then it's a matter of strengthening the reframe more than we're strengthening the story of.

Milena (29:04): This sucks. And it's the yes and they can both exist. But now how can we practice more of the one until eventually, that just kind of becomes there is this neural wiring that's happening how that eventually that becomes more second nature. And that's also the humility of this path is that you got to practice it. It's not something that we are born knowing how to do. It's not something that we're taught very young. And it's something that we kind of figure out as we stumble along the way. And that's, that's, that's the humility of being a beginner. And this is a beautiful thing to be a beginner at, because it does lead to more surrender. And it does lead to more space to be able to be in the messy and also grow from it grow from that awareness rather than shaming yourself for having it because it's human.

It's human and I feel like a big part of this is just giving permission for each of us to be human and to have compassion for each other in our humanity.

Meaghan (30:06): I'm noticing as you both, like I agree, but there's also such a huge, I've been dissociating so much because I feel like there's a whole step before all of this, like the reframe, there's like, the nervous system gets flooded with emotion. And then you go into fight, flight, freeze, fawn, and then there's no space to actually reframe. There's no actual space to take that witnessing because you're in such a state of survival, especially once you start allowing yourself to feel.

Because feelings can feel so threatening, especially if they're poking at old wounds. So not only are you feeling what's happening in that moment, you're feeling the threat of the past and the past and the past and all of these things, which inevitably the stories are gonna come up in the mind, because the mind is gonna wanna rationalize and make sense of everything. But to honour that, maybe before even trying to reframe, before even trying to bring compassion, just honouring, I'm flooded right now. My nervous system is flooded.

I can't feel anything. am numb and being with that before even moving to something next because I know I feel the truth as you guys are both speaking, but I'm like, but there's no way I'm there. There's no way like in this moment. There's no way there's anything going to be reframed right now until I honour the fact that there is literal shutdown and I want to just give that for because I know there's a lot of people that are going to be like, but how how do you be the bring the compassion bring all of this when it's not even accessible in the body yet.

Milena (31:33): It's a process. It's a process. that's the thing too, is that the nervous system, especially again, the nervous system, it has the somatic memory. So there are certain experiences that are triggering these old wounds. And so that is going to intensify the emotions of what's currently here in this moment, because of the fact that it's like, well, I'm feeling all these emotions. It's like soup of emotions from this experience and also from the same wound that is from the past that is being triggered from this present experience. And the thing is, again, regardless of how conscious we may be, our nervous system is something that we have to train. It's body memory.

And when we've grown up having these intense experiences in our lives that, you know, they stay in the body. And this is something that, you know, staff we were talking about is that sometimes part of that process is honoring how can I take the best care of myself while I'm in the state of shutdown? Because in that moment, that's the most loving and compassionate thing that you can do is rather than shaming yourself or judging yourself for not being able to immediately go into the reframe and move forward and move on. Again, it's not about the initial situation happening. It's about what's being activated in you from your whole life, from like the past.

It's and that's an opportunity to process those things to process those triggers from the past so that you can be more liberated in the present. But before that, it's how can I meet myself with compassion and just take the time, take care of myself? And that takes time. That does take time to and it looks different for everyone. But yeah, for sure, honoring that part before going on to the next step, because it's not even accessible when you're in that state. That's the reality.

Meaghan (33:28): Nope.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (33:29): Yeah, no, for sure. When the feelings are coming up, I mean, it's completely somatic. It's completely real. It's anchoring yourself in whatever ways you can. If an emotion needs to be expressed, it's like taking a pillow and screaming into it. It's moving the body. It's shaking the body. It's curling up in a ball. It's crying. It's messy. It's real. It's expression. It's the emotion in motion. It's moving it through. And we have to, have to give in to that.

No longer is it be quiet, go to your room, swallow that. No, it needs to be expressed. And there is a time and a place to express for sure, but it needs to be expressed in whatever way feels right for you. And it's tapping into that, that, that primal energy.

Meaghan (34:04): Mm-mm.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (34:19): And pushing it out while holding it, rocking it, rocking it and saying, okay, this is where I'm at. And at the same time, like, and this is going to move through me and knowing that it's in motion. And I think once we have those practices down pat,

Once we are able to sit with the emotions that are rising in whatever way they're rising and we have practices to express them and also anchor ourselves back to our breath, then we have the capacity to know what's the next step. Okay, love, compassion, reframing. What is this trying to show me? But you're so right, Meaghan. No, the emotions have to happen and...

Meaghan (35:05): Yeah. And then I'm getting stuck. I'm sorry. I'm getting stuck. What if you don't have that space to do it? What if there's no space to do it and you...

Yeah, that's where I'm just like, okay, that's all dandy and great and lovely. Environment, no, environment, like, yeah, environment, space. yeah, like I, I'm very much in this space where I'm so lucky to have the space to do that. But I know a lot of people don't. And then I feel like there's almost this like, achiness of like,

Milena (35:23): Are we talking environment, physical environment or internal space? Okay.

Meaghan (35:48): Tell people this could help you, but it's like great, I see how it could, but where could I do this? Because expression is so shunned and shame, people's expressions is just shamed, that it's how can we invite people to create spaces if they don't have spaces?

Steph - The Souls' Haven (36:07): So that really resonates when I was ⁓ an adolescent, as I'm sure many of you will resonate with. There was no opportunity for expression. Any expression of emotion was another reason to be punished or grounded. I often found myself obsessively brushing my teeth as an outlet. So where do you go when you can't go somewhere?

What's really interesting is the science behind journaling. How effective journaling is at releasing and transmuting almost instantaneously.

So writing is a really beautiful outlet. So if you feel like in that moment, know, most of us can get into our bed, we can cry, we can scream into a pillow. I do feel like those are kind of, right? And then from those places to anchor ourselves in breath, but what then? How do we see the light at the end of that emotional flooding tunnel? Journaling is really, really powerful. Surrounding ourselves with friends.

Meaghan (37:00): Yes.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (37:18): Who are also open to reframing, who are safe spaces, who maybe can just listen, lend an ear without offering any unsolicited advice, just to receive, just to hold space, I think is another really, really important ⁓ support system. ⁓ But I really cannot underscore enough journaling. Journaling.

Meaghan (37:29): Yeah.

Milena (37:45): Also want to add nature. Nature. If you don't have a home environment or a space where you live that feels like, where you feel like you can really just be in the full expression of whatever emotions are coming through.

My God, it's so underrated to just go into a forest and just scream your heart out and just let it out and let yourself really tap into that like primitive element. Because again, like that, our brains are perceiving this current situation as a threat. And despite the fact that it's not going to kill us, for the most part, our body is responding to it as if it as if it is as if we are an immediate threat. And so our nervous system is in the state of fight or flight and shock. And so sometimes one of the most beautiful things to do is tap into that primitive side, tap into that animalistic nature and just let yourself roar, let yourself rage, let yourself be out in a forest. And Meaghan and I, we would do this all the time when we'd go to the forest and stay in our womb cave and we were tapping into these archetypes.

And I find that a really helpful one, at least for myself as a wild woman archetype. If I'm feeling like I need to let out some really intense emotion. it's again, rage is not something that is very socially acceptable in our society. If I were to go out into my backyard and start raging my heart out, my neighbours would be concerned. They'd be like, this woman is in mental distress, in severe mental distress. But you know, and again, and I have the privilege of having a backyard, but it's still there's still people.

Meaghan (39:16): 911? Yeah, my neighbours are going crazy.

Milena (39:31): That and again people that that kind of level of expression makes them uncomfortable. And it makes me uncomfortable when I'm expressing it, but it's also recognizing the value of it. And so it's like, let me just, let me just give it my all and just be untamed for the sake of discharging. nature, nature is definitely one of those spaces. Even if it's, I mean, we're in winter season right now, but even in the winter, like just being able to be outside, get that fresh air, be in a space where you can kind of have some privacy and give yourself that opportunity of I'm going to give myself even five minutes, five minutes of untamed expression of whatever is here and really just letting yourself discharge and we're really just complex animals.

Like if we look at predator versus prey in the wilds, the prey after being chased by predator, if it has the capacity to escape, these animals are shaking their body like viscerally, like there's such a strong discharge of energy from that trauma of being chased that they need to do that to survive, to actually move forward and continue to carry on in their life and meet their needs.

So it's interesting how we really are animals and we're really retraining safety into our nervous system. We're to the mind, like consciously, we're like, I'm not gonna die, like this is fine. Like this is just a really shitty moment and the moment is fleeting and just like everything it's impermanent and it'll pass. And the mind may be conscious of that and the body is acting.

Completely differently. And this is where there's the coherence, right? Like in that space, there's incoherence between the stories of the mind and just what we're seeing, like really in real time, versus what we're feeling. And that's where these outlets for discharging and having these resources, it helps to be able to bring the mind and the body into a bit more coherence of we've let this like really intense fear and energy to be discharged. Well, now there's a bit more grounding.

Even after you've had a really good cry, if you guys had one of those, like really good cry, I'm talking like, like one of those where like snotty air, all the things and just like the relief that comes after that, after having that good cry, it's like, okay, that was good. Like that, that is, those are the things that bring you into that space of relief. And it feels more grounding.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (42:04): Yeah, yeah. And I think in so many ways, we weren't also taught how to name our emotions either. There are like six core emotions, and then they branch out into all these other emotions. ⁓ yeah, being able to and not putting the pressure on yourself to be able to discern between all the emotions, but just to kind of get the core six down.

And being able to name those feelings in your body when they're coming up. That level of just witnessing being like, okay, yeah, like I have sadness on me right now, we'll start to calm the nervous system because you're not denying a reality, you're connecting, that's creating coherence with the body. You're saying like, okay, I see you, that is sadness, okay. And then that almost gives yourself permission to then kind of lean into the sadness a bit so that you can transmute it through journaling, through just going and sitting outside with your hands on the earth grounding .

Through taking a stroll in the park and just leaning up against the tree with your back on the tree, knowing that Mother Nature is here to hold and support you. ⁓ The journaling is so fascinating because now science has it backed as reducing stress and cortisol and the act of slow, focused writing regulates breathing and heart rate and actually activates your parasympathetic regulation.

So, you know, I don't know if you guys can see, but like it's now winter. So yes, going outside and maybe sitting on the ground and putting my hands in the ground or walking on barefoot like I always do is not really a possibility, but feeling the emotion, crying, screaming into a pillow, dancing around and then journaling; can go a long, long way. And then again, going back to that neuroplasticity, once we get into a bit of a routine of doing that, of reacting and connecting to our emotions in this new expanded way, then that becomes the new way that we regulate, that we self-regulate, that we hold space for ourselves, we rock like a baby. I'm trying to think of the word in English, but, that we rock ourselves. Yeah, back into coherence.

Meaghan (44:21): I like that.

Milena (44:23): And I do want to say that in a world of immediate gratification, this is not something that you're going to do this practice and you're going to feel perfect right away.

Because like I've definitely had those moments where I'm having, I'm going through like some pretty big heartbreak and there's sadness and there's grief and there's anger and disappointment and all of these emotions that come with their charge with intensity. And I've sat under a tree and I've let out a good cry in public, may I also add, because then eventually you get to a point where you're like, I don't even care about being perceived. I just need to be in this and honour what's here. And you know, and I've had that good cry and been under a tree and been like, well, I don't feel better.

Why I'm doing all the things and like it comes to the point of like, I've checked it off my list and none of these are making me feel better. And that's also where it's just kind of, know, having, having patients, having patients with the process and recognizing that like building any habit, like training any, any practice is it, does take some time. And especially when what's being activated are things that are heavy, like they're, they're lived experiences that may have had a very strong.

And it's also honoring the fact that, yeah, like these are not things that are going to just immediately go away if we're thinking of actually sustainable embodiment and change of how to retrain this new way of being. This is really a new way of being, of being human, is being able to transmute these things as they come and honoring our humanity and having patience with the process of this incoherent state between mind and body and then showing up from this place of love and doing these practices and then having patience because it takes time and time is also this other factor that I think is important to bring into the conversation because we live in a time where if I wanted to get something I can just get it on my phone and have it come and be shipped to my house tomorrow. It's convenient, it's quick, it's instant.

Whereas this, us as humans, we are not robots. And that there is a level of patience and training that is required to be in this new way of being. And I think that the most empowering part of all of this is that it's possible. Like, yes, it could feel disempowering to be in the process of retraining and showing up. And like not maybe getting the immediate change of state right away. And then the frustration of I'm still in this and why do I still care about this and why does it still affect me and all these things. And then also recognizing that, you know, this is a new way of being and that it is something that is gonna take some practice and having these resources and support and people you can talk to, it helps, it helps catalyze that a little bit more, but having patience with yourself because this is definitely not something that's like, alchemy, I am now not affected by my own humanity. Although that would be great. But it'll be that much worth it when you do get there.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (47:40): Yeah. Yeah, so much of what you're saying, I just keep hearing loving compassion, loving compassion, with with the time with the process with the feelings with the lessons. Just just just, think if we can all come back to loving compassion for ourself. I have the most amount of compassion for everybody else. You tell me your stories. I'm like, my god, girl, like I feel you. I see you. Yes, yes. Give yourself love. Give yourself compassion. People don't get over this like that mirror that we give back to others. You know, that's why sharing these stories and our life experiences and our learnings with others is so valuable because they often mirror back the love and compassion that we are often incapable of showing ourselves, as we set those standards so high for ourselves. And so, you know, that brings me to like, women in community and connection.

You know, how it's so important for our souls evolution, for our journey back home to ourselves is through sisterhood.

Meaghan (48:44): Mm-hmm.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (48:57): Because sisters hold the most amount of love and compassion, they will remind you that that is the very thing that you are often incapable of giving to yourself.

Meaghan (49:10): Hmm, I definitely want to jump in here because vulnerability y'all I'm dissociated as fuck and this is we're gonna still post this episode because this is how I'm showing up right now I'm not hearing anything y'all are really saying at all Because I'm there's that love and compassion. That's the only thing I think I've keyed in in the past like 20 minutes That's not coming for me right now, and that's okay. I'm not

I'm not gonna receive it from myself. I'm not gonna give it to myself. So I'm just gonna be here and witness. And that's all I have capacity for right now. And I think this is a big part of this process of everything we're talking about, especially the time. Cause even when you said time, I just went in my head, I'm like, fuck the time. I'm fucking tired of the time. I'm tired of all this bullshit. I'm tired of the lessons. I'm tired of the mirrors because everything's a mirror. So I'm tantruming inside internally right now as fuck.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (50:05): I love it. I love it.

Meaghan (50:06): Wanting to stay present, feeling that Meaghan, you're recording a podcast right now, but this is what's here and this is what it's gonna bring up too. I hear, especially in sisterhood, in circles, and it's this, I feel like even just this right now is mirroring a lot of we spent some time together a month ago. And yes, community connection with sisters in that mirroring and that reflection of where you're not extending yourself love and compassion and just honouring, yep, you're right, I'm not, and sitting with that. And that's what's coming up for me right now.

Milena (50:46): Thank you so much. And this is one of the things that I feel like I so deeply appreciate about co-creating, being in co-creation with Meaghan. And babe, I wanna celebrate, I genuinely wanna celebrate the fact that you could even bring that here because that is, that is part, like that's literally part of this. Like that frustration of like, I'm sick and tired of doing the work and becoming aware and showing up in the practices and I'm checking them all off and they're not doing anything and...

Meaghan (51:20): They're all done, you wanna see my agenda? It's all, I've done it all, the embodiment, the crying, the shaking it off, the shaking my ass, the anger, the crying in the pillow, it's all done, it's click, click, click, click, Yes, keep going.

Milena (51:26): Mm-hmm. Exactly. That's the thing is that this is all that's also part of this. And like, you're there today. I was there two days ago. And now today I'm able to show up in this place, but had we recorded this 48 hours ago, I would be where you're at. You know what I mean? So, that's the thing, honouring the full spectrum. It's honouring the full spectrum of what it is to be human and what it is to have awareness, have awareness of, know, I know where I want to be. I know what to do, especially the, know what to do. That's, that's the part that does it for me is, you know, when you're in this process of becoming more self-aware, of learning how to hold space for yourself, learning how to support the nervous system.

Like, this is also a big part of both of our work. Well, all of our work actually. And so it's just kind of like, it's the, know what to do. It's just, it's not happening. It's not happening right now. And that's also part of it and that's the beauty of being in sister circles. When you feel like that, that is exactly when you're supposed to go. That is exactly the invitation to be held by women that can mirror and reflect that love and compassion to you because it's not even accessible to you. And even if you're in circle and you're being held and supported for whatever it is that you're moving through that's causing this state of like of I can't even, that's not even acceptable or like accessible to me.

Sometimes it's even in that, I can't even receive it from others. And that's okay. But to still be held when you are in that space and not be alone, even if that what's being reflected to you or the love that's being poured into you, it's hard for you to receive. It's knowing that you are worthy of it. It's witnessing the ways that these women are showing up for you.

And again, it's not, they're not showing up for you. So you can, it's not conditional. If I'm going to do this, so you can tell me how good of a person I am for showing up for you. It's, I'm going to show up for you because I, I'm holding love in this container and for what you're moving through. Cause it's honoring my own humanity too. Like we are all the things that you're experiencing right now. I've experienced a flavor of it or I'm experiencing it right now. I'm just, it's at a deeper, there's a, there's another depth to it.

So it's, these are the moments, especially when it's not accessible for us to give to ourselves, when it's not accessible for us to receive sometimes even just being in an environment where that love and compassion is present.

Through the natural law of diffusion energetically, which I just made up right now, it will, listen, listen, listen, it's fine. It's a Venusian method. It will eventually, it integrates, it integrates subconsciously that love and just being in the environment where that energy is present, there will be some things that you will receive from it to the capacity that you can receive it.

Meaghan (54:19): I was like, I don't know.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (54:36): Yeah, and it's in that tight, uncomfortable space that rebirth happens that actually allows for the expansion. So it can feel really heavy and dense energetically. ⁓ And that can sometimes reflect back into the world as like taking two steps backwards. Like I was fine two days ago, everything was going so perfectly. Now what's happening today? Like a shit hit the fan, everything's going haywire. And it's just, it's almost poetic and beautiful. It's your body's way of dissolving things that are no longer serving you so that you can expand to the higher frequency to give yourself the opportunity to feel, move it through the body, let it out, to arrive to a higher frequency to then connect with that frequency so then you in this higher state, in this expanded state, will attract all the things that you actually want. And so I know that goes more into theory and less into somatics, but ultimately it's for the highest good. It's for the highest good of you and it brings us back to kind of surrender.

We surrender. This is how I feel right now and that is perfect for right now because it's showing me what I need to feel. It's making me face certain things. It's giving me rest when I need rest. It's giving you everything that you need right now in this moment. it's the real trust and surrender is knowing that it's not permanent. This is not a permanent state. Nothing is permanent. Happiness isn't permanent. Sadness isn't permanent.

None of it is permanent. It is an ebb and a flow. And when we can accept that as a basic law, we can continue to see the light at the other side of the tunnel. And then that's where our checklists and our protocols and our practices and our, you know, our expansion and our new neural pathways when they can all come into play. But this will this will always be the case. This is this is life. This is the ebb and flow of life.

Milena (56:32): I want to say I feel like the most impactful moments of my life and it's crazy because I could viscerally remember these words is I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. And those are the moments where I've shown up for myself in ways that I never have before. And it took me getting really, really uncomfortable, really uncomfortable of I can't even bear to live another day in this human experience in the way

Steph - The Souls' Haven (56:41): Yeah.

Milena (57:02): That I am experiencing, in the ways that I am creating it for myself as well. And so that is also powerful and sometimes for some big shifts to happen. Because again, we are creatures of habit, like our brains, they love the predictable future, like they love the habitual behaviours. And so sometimes it really takes to get so uncomfortable and to like reach that place of like darkness.

Because I feel like for me it's I don't care and then it's no, no, no, no, I can't do this anymore. Like that's my threshold. And when I get to the I can't, I can't even exist in this reality anymore. That is what has sparked spontaneous and big changes in my life. And then again, it's obviously sustaining them, but that that discomfort has been that initial just kind of like push. punch in the face that I needed to create some like very powerful and empowering changes that needed to happen. And I do want to also Steph, while we have you here and you've already mentioned it, is the idea of divine law.

And, so I do want to ask you, what does divine law mean to you and how has aligning with it brought you into deeper liberation and surrender in your path?

Steph - The Souls' Haven (58:25): Hmm. Yeah. ⁓ Divine law initially felt very much like a step-by-step from a book at first. Okay, there are laws that supersede manmade laws that there's energies that govern a bit like when you're in ninth grade and you start with physics, you're like, okay, there's stuff happening behind the scenes. And it's just, it's expanded from there to accepting that there's this invisible architecture of life and that there is an intelligence and a oneness and a wholeness that moves through everything. And so for me, trusting in the divine laws and aligning with the divine laws means really going with the flow rather than forcing anything, knowing that there's a rhythm, that there's a timing to all things, that there's a season for everything.

And trusting that the divine laws, unlike the manmade laws, are without ego. That they work for the veterence of everyone. And so by leaning into this alignment, I just, yeah, like I feel like deeply like liberated and it's the root of my faith and my trust. To not feel like I have to struggle against life, but rather just kind of show up for whatever's happening in that moment. In the best way that I can, however I can.

Meaghan (59:49): Thank you.

Milena (59:51): Yeah, and I feel like that belief is also what supports the surrender. It's the trusting in the fact that you were being held and you were being supported and that things are orchestrating for you despite the fact that they may be difficult lessons, uncomfortable lessons and honouring that. And I feel like something that was super powerful that you shared with me was, you know, in the moments that I was sharing, just challenging lessons that were coming through in real time when we were connected, you would just always bring me back to this honouring. Like, how can we honour even this discomfort? Like, how is that discomfort still sacred? And that actually, that re-framed something in me where it allowed me to just be more open in Moments that I was going through discomfort or meeting resistance because I'm like, right, right

I can either resist it and be like, I hate this, this feels so shit. What's the point of feeling this? do I feel like, why am I feeling this way when I'm feeling it over this thing that doesn't even actually matter in the grand scheme of things? But it's when I'm able to honour it and see it as sacred, there's more of a curiosity, there's more of an openness. And that's where I find that that's a beautiful way. It's a doorway in of like, oof, I don't like this.

But it is still sacred and how can I honour it and what it's teaching me or what it's showing in me. And yeah, I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful for that perspective. Yeah, thank you, Steph.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (1:01:34): Yeah, I think it's really just remembering that what we put our focus on is what grows and what moves. And so in a moment when we're having an emotion arise, for example, to put your focus on that emotion and just see it, it will allow it to move rather than, yeah, rather than then focusing on a story that is not serving. Let's focus on the emotion, let's focus on the feeling, let's focus on what's coming up right now in that moment.

And what it means to be human and what it means to be living in the body. And I think that is kind of a divine law at the end of the day as well. It's a divine law that we're human. It's a divine law that we're here to experience. It's a divine law that everything is messy. It's a divine law that what we focus on is what we attract. ⁓ Something else was coming to me while I was saying that. ⁓ Yeah.

Milena (1:02:38): So, I feel like we are nearing the end of our conversation and one thing that we've been prompting any of our guest speakers to share is, mean, with Venusian Womb, the entire foundation of what we're creating here is opening up this dream fields, opening up this quantum fields where there is infinite possibilities to dream what it is that you are aligning with in your reality of what it is that you want to bring forward through creation, through co-creation, through connection. And I mean, with all that being said, I did want to ask Steph, and I know Meaghan, we've been curious to see like, is a dream that you are currently manifesting into the world and that you are connecting to within the dream field?

Steph - The Souls' Haven (1:03:29): Yeah, wow. I think one thing is definitely the soul's haven and creating a space where people can come and connect in their truth, whatever that looks like. Aligning with that dream has meant saying goodbye to so many other identities. So many other things that I thought I was supposed to do, where I was supposed to be in life, it meant ultimately surrendering and following my heart and really leading from a place of heart.

Which has required deep, trust, deep, deep, trust. So if it feels good in the body and it resonates, trusting that that's the direction that I'm meant to go in. And when other things crumble away, leaning into the fact that they served me while they did and by them dissolving, it creates space for something new. ⁓ So yeah, so what I'm leaning into right now is a trust in myself and a trust in ⁓ the belief that we're meant to come together, we're not meant to be alone. We are meant to be one with community, we are meant to be one with each other. We are one with each other, but that's a whole other podcast conversation. ⁓ So yeah, so that's what I am, that's what I'm creating right now and, and co-creating really, because every immersion, every experience, every retreat, it's a bunch of souls coming together, creating a beautiful sacred container of exchange, of freedom, of trust, of surrender, of what it means to be human. And so that's kind of the dream right now. And in terms of honouring myself and recognizing myself and going into places that have felt really uncomfortable, it's kind of owning the role of being a facilitator as well.

Not taking that shy kind of backseat and saying, you know, I am just this, but that I can, that I should follow my heart and if it feels good and it feels right, that it's okay to lean into it without judging myself or having crazy expectations for myself and just to go with the flow of, yeah, what the world is reflecting back to me. And right now that's, yeah, it's holding space and it's facilitating spaces.

Milena (1:05:53): Yeah, thank you so much Steph, for sharing and also for just the perspective, the perspective that you've shared with each of us, the ways that you've held us to get curious, to get curious about life, about our personal initiations and experiences. And it was just so incredibly powerful to be in your presence and to be held by you and to be held by your space and just witnessing the ways that you are bringing this dream of yours into fruition and being able to just experience even just like a little bit of it was so incredibly healing. And yeah, we are so grateful for this connection, for this conversation, for the perspective that you bring. And I mean, really, I think the invitation from this conversation for us and for everyone listening is to just really continue to put this into practice.

Put into practice to recognize that this is a new way of being to recognize that, you know, there is light and there is darkness in this world. There are injustices that are happening and there is also a whole lot of love and hope that is moving through the collective through all of us and that, you know, while we may not be able to control the state of the world, we can control our own state of being. And it's not even about controlling. It's really just how can we become more aware? How can we become more empowered?

How can we become more connected to our heart, bringing more coherence between the mind and the body and bringing more love and compassion into our day to day, to ourselves, to others. And it's gonna be messy, it's gonna look messy, but I mean, that could still be the intention and honoring that intention in whatever ways it actually unfolds and recognizing that, you know, our soul's haven, like this haven, this sanctuary, this frequency is something that we are able to create within ourselves wherever we are. Like we are the haven. And so it's just kind of like when the world is seemingly scary and confusing, it's how can we kind of create this space of home and sanctity within ourselves.

It's a practice. And I think that we've laid out some very helpful resources and just some guidance of how to go about doing that and recognizing that it's helpful. It's helpful to have all these things that we spoke about and also community. How can we now begin to really hone in this state of being with community and who are the people that are also coming into the state of being and surrounding yourself with those kinds of people?

That's also frequency, energy, it's contagious. And so when we are able to put ourselves also in spaces and be held by people that are able to resonate as well with this and this truth and this love and compassion, it makes it more accessible. And then the more accessible we make it, the more that it becomes just our way of being. And so this is how we are also co-creating our reality and recognizing that there's all the things like it's a full spectrum out in this world, but what are we, what are we really connecting to and creating from. So thank you so much Stephanie and if there's anything Meaghan that you would like to add.

Meaghan (1:09:19): Well, I'd love to add that if anyone would like to reach Steph, we're gonna have in our show notes in the podcast description, how you can get in touch with her, a little bit, her little description. We also wanna thank you all for listening, for tuning in on this Friday or whatever time of the week you're listening. Go check out our website where we have our womb circles that are posted. We have some blog posts , the transcripts for the episodes, and we'll see you next Friday.

Milena (1:09:44): Yay! Thank you! Nice.

Steph - The Souls' Haven (1:09:45): Thank you.

Episode Links

Calls to Reflection and Action:

Let your emotions move through you: When big feelings rise, pause and name what is on you, rather than merging with them. This simple act creates space to breathe, feel, and allow the emotion to move rather than control your story.
Choose curiosity over self-judgment: When you catch yourself spiralling into old narratives, soften. Ask what this moment is showing you instead of assuming you did something wrong. Each reframe is a small act of self-love that builds new pathways in your mind.
Give yourself time and compassion: Healing is not instant. Meeting yourself with patience, gentle practices, and supportive people helps you return to your centre. You don’t have to do it alone, and you don’t have to get it right on the first try.

What Is Resistance Trying to Teach You?

Fri, 07 Nov 2025 19:36:08 GMT

Episode Summary

This episode explores what it truly means to meet resistance in the creative process and in life. Meaghan and Milena open an honest conversation about the walls we hit, the voices that rise inside us, and the emotions that pull us into shame, frustration, or collapse.

They reveal how resistance is not a sign to stop but an invitation to deepen your embodiment, step out of perfectionism, release attachment to outcomes, and allow yourself to be recreated by the very thing you are trying to create.

Through story, somatic insight, and shared vulnerability, they offer a grounded and soulful framework for meeting resistance with compassion, trust, and community support.

Key Takeaways

This episode of The Venusian Womb Podcast is available on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , and wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcript

Milena (00:57): Hello everyone, and welcome to the Venusian Womb Podcast . We are so grateful to have you join us for this conversation. This is really going to be a fluid conversation about meeting resistance, meeting resistance and what that resistance looks like in the process of creation, how to be when you're confronted with resistance and also, just the ways that can call us into this course correcting and honouring of what is in this moment.

And that's actually what inspired this episode, we were trying to record another episode. We had this beautiful framework. Thank you for the masculine energy. You know, we had this framework. We knew what we were going to talk about. We had this beautiful topic. We're starting to record, and bam, a wall. And then we try to move around the wall.

And then bam, another wall. Okay, let's try to envision a door so we can go through the wall. And then bam, another fucking wall. No windows, no doors. So at this point, it's kind of one of those things of, you know, when you're in this process of flow, you're trying to drop into flow. You're really just trying to let the creative process move you and you're meeting resistance. How can we meet it with grace?

Meaghan (01:59): Yeah!

Milena (02:21): How can we honour what is in this moment of what is working, what is flowing and what is not? And also how not to let the resistance discourage you and make you fold in the creative process, because that's exactly what the ego wants to do when it feels discouraged, when it feels disempowered, and that's part of the creative process that is absolutely inevitable and will happen.

Milena (02:51): In the creative process and also in the process of life and being human. So this is really just gonna be a fluid conversation of us speaking to the resistance and I already see activation. So, Meaghan, I'm gonna leave it off to you if there's anything you wanna add.

Meaghan (03:06): Crazy how alive I am in this one. I do want to speak to somatically what happens in the body when we hit resistance, when we meet that wall. And what kind of voices you may be hearing in your head. Because let me tell you the voice, this is stupid. Why are we even doing this? I don't freaking get it. This is a waste of our time. I'm done. I'm done. And then the feeling in the body of that shutdown that I feel so much frustration, so much, there's anger. There's just like this.

Apathy of numb. No, no, it's not even numb. It's just I don't want to do this because I don't even know where I'm going with this. And I love how Milena kept giving that analogy of the wall because that's really what it feels like. Sometimes you'll catch a little you'll catch a little thread like, I know where I'm going with this and then bang. No, you don't. And it's so flippin frustrating because that's actually for me how we've started recording every single one of these episodes probably to date.

There was maybe one or two episodes that I dropped into flow right away, but everything else, felt like I was forcing. And I'm sure there's some layers of performance that come in there. There's some layers of wanting to get it right, wanting to say the right things, wanting to say the wrong things, wanting it to be a good episode, wanting to follow the framework because we have a structure that the mind wants to make it all perfect and pretty and make sense and not say anything. Don't say like too much, don't say too much. And it's so easy to get stuck in the head.

And not just drop into the body and allow whatever consciousness, whatever thread of consciousness to flow through. And that's just how we've been meeting resistance here in this podcast format. But in everything we've created to date, we have been met with resistance in some way, shape or form. Whether it's our internal resistance or somebody is mirroring something to us, we have been stopped in our tracks. And this totally comes into the law of detachment, actually, which is what we were trying to record on.

But now I see how it all connects. The resistance of wanting to control how everything is going to come and be and work out, and you can't really control anything, which is very, very frustrating when you're in the process of creation because if you have an end goal or something that you want to see manifested at the end, something tangible that you're trying to get to, if the steps that you've created to get to that end goal are not functioning in the ways that you were hoping or that you plan them to, it feels like you're just stuck. There's like this like, this crisis mode of but, but, but, but, but this is supposed to get me to this point and it's not getting me there. So then what am I supposed to do?

And the course correction can feel very defeating and just shitty because especially if you don't know what your course correcting to or you don't know which direction to take, and yeah, we've been met with that through our circles, through circles not working out in our collective. There's been some already like little roadblocks that are coming in. And there's been so many moments along the way that our egos could have been like, throw the towel, or throw the towel in. Like this is just not working. This is not for us. But this beautiful process of co-creation and of not attaching to the desired outcome, because it's really an egoic desired outcome of what you're wanting to create.

But allowing yourself to release that attachment to what you think it's gonna be and what it's meant to be, then you're gonna be able to open up and see, wait, maybe I can actually go this way, or the new ways become apparent. And that way into that is to allow yourself to feel the disappointment. Because there's gonna be a lot of flipping disappointment in the creation process, because things are not gonna go the way you want them to go.

Very, very rarely will they go the way you want them to go. And that's where the law of detachment comes in. Once you realize they're not meant to go the way you want them to go, they're meant to go the way they're meant to go, you're able to flow so much more easefully and effortlessly than trying to control the entire process.

Milena (07:13): Codes, the codes in that. Thank you. Yeah, I feel like what that's bringing up for me is there is this, there is this unintegrated masculine energy that comes up when I meet resistance of this wasn't productive. Nothing got done. We wasted time. And that

That's the one that just like, hits me, it hits me so hard, especially because it's, again, it's the it's meeting the disappointment, it's recognizing redirection, which feels like rejection, because it's like, I decided I wanted to do it this way. And this is the structure that I plan. And this is the way that I'm going to take steps forward towards that desired outcome.

And it's when you're in this resistance and meeting it somatically meeting it in the mind like it's hard to drop into flow. It's hard to there's this overthinking and mental rumination and these voices in the mind that got get very loud.

There's a perfectionist there's the critic there's the the part of me that's also trying to control the ways that my life generally and the creative process is unfolding and that's also one of the things that comes in in this law of detachment is letting go of control. It's letting go of control of what the desired outcome is and also how you are going to get there. And if we all know something is that this path of homecoming, this path of creation, this path of really evolution is something that is not linear. It's not like this.

Milena (08:59): It cycles, it spirals, it will turn in on itself and become something completely different. And that is something that is also required to happen. There is there is a an orchestration for the ways that things are unfolding as they do, and trusting that it is unfolding in that way for a purpose, even if that purpose may not be apparent to you in that present moment.

If you really truly allow yourself to hold this trust of, am going to take steps forward despite the fact that this is not something that I can predict or control. That is an incredibly powerful skill that is necessary when you are meeting resistance because otherwise it's just, there is just this fold. I fold, I give up, I drop the towel, I'm done with it. Letting these voices in the head lead. And that's been a huge part also.

I've found it very helpful to use this metaphor of these are all, all of these voices are all just parts of self. They're all just parts of self. And how can we let them all sit in this round table and honor each of these parts that are part of this creative process? Cause when we really honor all of these parts of ourselves and are able to integrate them, then the creation that comes through from that integrated space is significantly more potent. It's more relatable. It's more real.

And it's more embodied because it's more of an expression of you rather than this performativeness of, said I was going to do this today and I may not be feeling this energy, but I'm still going to show up because this is my plan. And the creation that comes from that space, it's inauthentic. It's not honoring the energy of where you're at in that moment as you're stepping into the creative process. And so it's like, how can we have these parts of self have a seat at the table?

And it's interesting because in my head I'm seeing all of these different parts of myself, my inner child. There's also the part of me that the teacher, the guide, all of these different elements. And I see the inner critic when I meet resistance, it just wants to get up on the table and just be like, you guys are all doing a bad job. You guys are all doing it wrong. This is not coming out well. This is not good crap content or quality or whatever.

Milena (11:19): And it's like, okay, how can we honour these parts of self? You know, no one's getting on the table. We're all equal and not allowing those p arts to take the lead and just kind of swoop in because that that is when we find ourselves folding and that's when we give up. And it's also recognizing that those voices are also protecting us from disappointment. They're protecting us from in essence

Meaghan (11:42): Mm-hmm. Humiliation, criticism.

Milena (11:47): Humiliation, criticism, exactly, thank you. So they are these protector parts and recognizing that these protector parts, they're trying to keep you safe by also limiting exposure and limiting exposure to the discomfort of being in creation and honoring what is outside of this plan. And so yeah, that's what's coming through in this moment.

Meaghan (12:10): You activated so much within me.

Milena (12:13): I could feel it. could feel you're like, hmm, whenever you're pulsing as we're like speaking.

Meaghan (12:19): It's like an activation compared to where I was before where I was just shut down. But I really, I don't want to do this anymore. No, I want to do it now. I really want to feed off of the perfectionism, the inner critique, the folding that happens when you meet resistance. And especially because what's coming through really strong for me as you said that was the difference between guilt and shame. We talk a lot about shame.

We are often met with shame when it comes to in creation, when it comes to relationships, intimacy, really everything connection. And in the resistance that you're meeting, what determines if you push through that resistance or not is are you perceiving this as a mistake or that you are the mistake? As like, I just made a mistake. Like this is something that I could fix. This is something that I could change. I could shift out of because that's less heavy.

Because we grow through making mistakes, especially if you can get into that perception as a mistake has nothing to do with like my character, who I am, any of that. It's just something that I need to take accountability for and shift if it's making me feel icky and learn something from it. Or is that resistant pointing to something in you of like, my God, I'm bad. I did something so wrong. This is like a hit at myself, a hit at your confidence, your self esteem. And that's when you fold. That's when you stop.

That's when it becomes not possible or accessible to keep going forward because you're stuck in the shame spiral of I am inherently wrong. And then that brings us to the, don't belong either. So how could anybody want to see my creation? My creation is nothing. It dampens and puts everything down. And to me, that's a huge part of that folding, meeting the resistance of when there's a shame that comes up to, yes, go ahead, feed off of it.

Milena (14:08): I want to say there's the narrative that comes up to just add on to this is that I am incapable.

Meaghan (14:14): Yes, I am not capable. I can't do this. And that is paralyzing. Because the minute you say that to yourself, your body and what you're saying, your body's gonna start believing. It's like, well, I can't do this anymore. I guess we're done. I guess it's over. Throw it out the window. And that's so frustrating. Because chances are you were actually very close to getting somewhere.

You just got a little bit, gotta course correct, course shift, but again, if it's not going the way the ego wants it to go, we can attach to what we're wanting it to be. And then if it's shown that what we originally thought for ourselves is not how it's planning out, that can feel completely destabilizing and really hard to wanna keep pushing.

Milena (15:02): It's so interesting because I think in this process, I'm really understanding what it is to have a beginner's mind, what it is to truly stay the course of evolution, the course of learning, the course of growth. And that path, it's incredibly humbling. It's incredibly humbling in the ways that, you know, really just being open to being

Milena (15:32): Not very good at something. And for... that's... yeah.

Meaghan (15:33): Wrong. To fucking up, to making a mistake, to not getting it right, to hurting, make, yeah, to not being the perfect all the time because we're not.

Milena (15:45): Any perfectionists out here, like recovering perfectionists, because, you know, when you've been used to deriving your self-worth from how good you are at the things that you do, then this is where we start to create attachments to outcomes and attachments to things to derive our sense of worthiness and our sense of value.

And there's a huge reframe that happens in these moments of defeat, of perceived defeat and perceived failure and mistakes, where, you know, we are confronted with that. We're confronted with what does this mean about me? And how can I move forward from this and feeling this disappointment? And that it takes that it takes those moments where you're humbled so deeply of, okay, I am not very good at this.

This is something new. This is the unknown. How could I possibly expect myself to be perfect at something that I'm doing for the first time or the first few times? And there's a lot of grace that you learn to develop with yourself is to have compassion for your process of learning, to recognize that there are certain things that you may pick up like this.

And there's others where it's going to require more of your devotion, more of your time, more of your practice and dedication. And it doesn't mean that it's not possible for you to develop and to learn and grow that skill or whatever it is that you're creating. But it's really just honouring your rhythm, your learning style, and your process as well in all of that.

You know, we definitely need to have the contrast in order for us to step more into our light and in order for us to step more into our power. And this whole process of meeting resistance is a huge initiation to step into your power in the creative process. And a huge part of that, and this is where I love accessing this space, this inner space of openness and beginner's mind through the inner child. Because when you're a child, you're learning a new skill for the first time.

You don't tell a child that's doing a bad job at learning something. That's horrible. You're horrible. Don't do that. You don't even know what you're doing. No, we encourage them. We give them words of affirmation. We are more patient and we may sit with them and explain it to them in a much more simpler way. Right? And it's just, I like to use this thing of keep it simple, silly, you know, try to, how can we simplify this big thing that has so much resistance and has this cloud of overcastness and ...

Milena (18:33): And heaviness, how can we make it silly? How can we maybe bring more of our inner child to play and rather than focusing less on the outcome, how can we enjoy a bit more of the journey of learning? And, you know, it's so much more rewarding also when we are able to develop from a place of, of, of dedication, true dedication and meeting resistance and moving through it.

And it builds this resilience, so that the next time you meet resistance in your life, which you will, which we all will because it's inevitable, you won't fold. And there will be a lot more self-trust that's built when you really commit to this process of learning and meeting resistance and continuing to move forward and failing and redirecting from that failure and really perceiving, having these mental reframes to perceive these failures as

Also data, what are we learning? This is all a continuous learning process and all of this is supporting that growth. And that's something that is incredibly humbling for the ego. Your soul already knows. Your soul already knows that everything that you need, everything that you want to do, all of those dreams, all of those desires that live within you, you are completely 100 % capable of it. That capacity, if you're feeling this within you, that capacity is already there. It's just a matter of getting your ego on board to something that your soul already knows. And that's a huge part is how can you be an ally to your ego? Because know that within your ego, there is also these darkness. There's this darkness, there's these shadows, there's these voices, there's you know, this part of us that wants to bring us down to protect us because ultimately the ego is not innately good, it's not innately bad, it simply is.

And it has both light and darkness. You know, there's conscious and unconscious patterns that we are living in our life. Mostly, we're mostly being programmed by our subconscious and most of how we live and operate in the world, most of our thoughts come from our subconscious. So there is a huge integration, I think of

Recognizing what are these parts in ourselves, how can we bring more awareness to them, loving awareness, not needing to change or fix them, collecting data. And from that, how can we step more into this beginner's mind, into having this openness, into incorporating more play in the process. And also, as we've been speaking to this law of detachment, detaching from the ego, detaching from these narratives and doesn't mean they're not going to come up. They're going to be there because we're human. And it's not about transcending the ego because the ego does play a big role in this existence, like in this human existence. does keep us safe in many ways, despite the fact that it can be incredibly annoying in so many other ways.

It does have value and it's really a matter of how can we judge ourselves a lot less in the process and make the process mean less about us as humans and like, like of your own worth and capacity and how can we make it just inform the next steps that we're taking as we continue to move forward?

Meaghan (22:05): And I do want to speak to add a bit, bring in the resistance a little bit more. Because as you're creating something, as you're dreaming something, it is really hard to like, separate you from your creation. Which makes sense why when you fail, when it doesn't go to plan, when it doesn't work out, it is a big hit to self because it's coming from you. And within that process of creating something, you're creating something, but you're also being recreated in the process.

Because for you to be birthing what you're dreaming of, there's a new version of you that's being rebuilt and or destroyed and recreated every step of the way. And that's also a very humbling experience because who you are when you dreamt or had an idea of something is not gonna be the same person of who you are when that idea is manifested in tangible and actually here in the real world. So that's something really important to keep in mind through when you hit resistance that if you're hitting resistance, it might be because there's a part of you too that needs to die, that needs to be shifted, that needs to be recreated to hold more capacity, to hold more space for the version of you that can hold and can be with the creation that you are bringing forth into reality. ⁓ There were so many little things that came up while you were talking. That's the only one I can remember right now. But yes, know that there is this process of creating something that you're creating, but you're also being recreated in the process.

Milena (23:22): Yeah, and I just want to speak to a little bit more to the ego, because the ego will attach to the creation. The ego will make the creation mean, it's mine. It's my baby. It's a reflection of me. And so when we create that attachment to this dream or to this creation or to this outcome, then ...

Meaghan (23:43): Mine. My baby.

Milena (24:00): You know, we're really setting ourselves up for disappointment because the truth is and and you know failure because that's that's an inevitable part of this process and that's why you know oftentimes many people will will give up will give up you know so it's and that's exactly why we created this because the creative process is not sunshine and rainbows it's really a process that like Meaghan said you're ...

Meaghan (24:05): And failure. And failure. Hehehe

Milena (24:28): The creator and you're also being created. It's you who are actively embodied in the creative process. And so you are being shifted as a human being, the way you show up, the way you speak, the way you create, the way you course correct when things are in flowing, when you find yourself forcing all of these ways or the ways that the creative process is teaching you, shifting you, is showing you a new way of being.

Because creation, a big part of creation, which we will definitely have another episode that we will go into much more detail about the masculine and feminine energy, yin and yang, but a big part of creation is through being. And so, you know, when we allow ourselves to really be in the process and we start noticing that this process again is shifting us and how can we let this process move through us rather than us trying to impose our will.

Milena (25:27): On the way that the process of creation is unfolding. And so again, it's not practicing this law of detachment from the creation, from the outcome, from the ego's predicted timeline of how this is going to unfold. And the ego also tries to predict to create more safety. It's trying to have more known variables within this unknown mystery of bringing creation into form.

And that's completely unknown. It's a mystery. It's not meant to be understood because that's also part of testing faith in what you believe in and what you're bringing forward. And a big part of that's been super humbling of Venusian womb because Venusian womb is my it's I call it my baby and I know I shouldn't but I do because it is it's been birthed through both me and Meaghan and our co-creation and ...

Milena (26:24): It's been a really humbling process of feeling so, so deeply for something and also equally, equally letting it go and knowing that it is not mine and knowing that it's not mine to possess, to control, to impose my will on. And that has been super, super humbling of allowing the creative process to inform itself.

Without my ego and my perception and where I wanted to go and what I desire and all of these more self-centred and selfish intentions, which again, we're human, we're allowed to have those desires, and it's beautiful to be able to honour them. But again, like in the creative process, it's something greater than you. So there is also this letting go and allowing whatever is greater, these higher forces to also be part of it.

It's like, you create this thing out in the world, it's now manifested in physical form, now you have to take a step back.

You got to detach and let it be, let it be and let it unfold as it's meant to. And to create from the space of non-attachment is a completely new way of being. It's a new way of creating physical, tangible things, whether it's a project, it's a business, it's an idea, or just creating your life. There is this, there is this way of, and this is the feminine way, right?

It's this very more open, surrendered, fluid, and receptive way of being. And there's so much value to those skills in the process of creation. Oftentimes, you know, we're really fixated on the masculine and the structure and what's the formulas and the frameworks and we lose sight of the fact that this creative process is going to call you into a completely new way of operating and being in the world.

Meaghan (28:24): And that just speak so directly to excuse me, embodying the process, versus being in the head with the process. And that this is like, I want to speak to it, but it's hard to speak to you because there's not really words for it, because it really is an embodiment. And when you're meeting resistance, that's forcing your will onto something

Like an example, when we try to record episodes and it's just not happening, it's just not flowing, we're in our heads, we're trying to make sense of it, we're trying to make it work, we're trying to like find the structure that we need to say this and then we need to say this and then this needs to happen. But sometimes it's just not gonna happen that way. But when you really come back to the body, into your embodiment, into the wisdom, because there's a huge difference between knowledge and wisdom, when I'm speaking from knowledge, I meet a lot more resistance.

Because I feel like there needs to be, it needs to be in a certain sequence. It needs to be said perfectly. There's an order to it. But when I speak from my body, when I speak from an embodied space, I'm not even thinking. There's no thoughts in my head. It's just coming from my soul. It's just coming from my experience. It's coming from what I know to be true, what I've lived. It's such a different frequency, such a different space that the words and what we're speaking about is coming from.

So knowledge is really important to become wisdom. But in this process of creation, and we're using the word creation a lot, but I really want to speak to creation can be anything. It can be creating your life, it could be creating like a podcast, it could be doing art, it could be creating a new way of a new framework, a new structure. Creation can take so many different forms.

And my fear is that people are gonna be like, well, I'm not creative or I'm not making a podcast or I'm not doing anything artistic. It doesn't have to be artistic. It's just creating something new, bringing something new into the world that was not yet here before. And in that process, there is going to be a lot of embodiment is just, again, becoming the person that is capable of holding said creation. And that's not gonna come from the head.

That's not gonna come from the thoughts, the frameworks, the structures. Those are gonna be really helpful to bring it into reality. But if you attach yourself to all of that, the embodiment has a much harder time being expressed, being felt, being witnessed and experienced because it's not something that comes from the head. It's something comes from doing, being, and then being like, ⁓ I did that. this is now part of my body, my experience, and I actually have wisdom to share from doing it, not just, well, I think this is how it should be done. And this is this is it. It's a big, big, big difference.

And I also want to loop back to this process of creation, which Milena, I don't remember. She said it a while ago and she's been saying it. But I want to start bringing it into our podcast because we're going to be talking about it a lot is this process of creation is an incubation period. Think of you're literally in this little incubation chamber being gestated like there's your like it's like the womb.

The creation process is being in the womb. You're being recreated and reformed. it comes back to this whole law of gestation that is this season one of we are being reformed, recreated, destroyed, transmuted. And in all of that, as we are humans, as we have egos, we are experiencing a range of feelings and emotions and sensations that we need to meet.

Because the more you resist, because through this process you are going to meet so many parts of yourself, so many feelings, so many foreign feelings and sensations that you may have never experienced before, or that may be very familiar to you because they're triggering old wounds or very core wounds that you avoid and you don't want to avoid at all costs. But this process, as you are creating, it's a mirror. It's a mirror. You can't hide. You can't hide from what's coming up.

Meaghan (32:33): That's when you're going to fold. That's when you're going to hollow. What's the word? Run away. You're going to wallow in the disappointment, the sadness, the grief, the anger, the frustration, the why me? Like, why isn't this just working for me? Because of that attachment to the outcome. But when you allow yourself to meet those parts, to meet the feelings, to meet all of it in that meeting of yourself, that compassion, that grace, that love that's extended to these parts of you.

You are then creating so much more expansion in your body, so much more capacity to hold, to be and to be like, there we go. This is how I do it. And it really is as simple as meeting those parts. And you're probably like, well, how do you meet those parts? You feel it, you sit with it. You don't pretend it's not there because when you do that, you're staying stuck in a loop of never-ending. Well, this is where we're stuck.

And you can be there. You can be in that loop of trying to bring a creation forward, again, whatever that looks like, trying to bring something new into your life, into your own embodiment, how you show up. Again, we're also recreating ourselves. Like we are continuously going through cycles of death and rebirth, death and rebirth, death and rebirth, reinventing ourselves, refining the way that we show up. Like this is also a level of self-mastery that is happening in this human experience, especially when you're living from a more conscious place of everything can be a way for me to meet myself deeper. Every experience, every person, every internal sensation, emotions, these are all, they're all collecting data.

Like it's always that we can meet ourselves and be able to understand our inner world a lot deeper. And when we're able to have this awareness of ourselves, we're able to also integrate, like integrate all of these parts of ourselves, meet it, like Meaghan said, and I think sometimes there is this talking about resistance, there's this resistance of, what does it mean to come down from my head into my heart, like into my body, into this embodiment, into this being? And listen, that was super foreign for me.

Like as a girlie, I was like the best cattle in the barn. Of society, like a good girl, followed the rules. I was like, absolutely head down, did what I was told, showed up, was a great student, had great marks, got all my validation and self-worth from that. And it was such an interesting process, I think, because within that, like within that process of meeting myself after, after coming out of that.

Milena (35:20): I had to really sit with all of those parts of me of how was I allowing these things external to myself to define who I am internally and what I'm capable of. And there were so many limitations, self-imposed limitations that came from that place, that came from that attachment so, so deeply to something external from myself and to making that mean something about me.

And that's a big part of this process is recognizing that. And this is where this whole creative process and entrepreneurship path has been the greatest catalyst for my own awakening and for my own personal spiritual evolution and journey. Because of the fact that every single resistance is a mirror for me to meet myself every time. And it's been confronting.

And it's been incredibly heavy to sit with the emotions that are coming up of not feeling enough, of not feeling capable, of having voices of other people, other people in my life that don't understand. They don't have this inner clarity and vision and calling. So they're not connected to the creative process in the ways that I am and Meaghan is. So for them, from the outside looking in, there's all of this confusion, this doubt, this, why are you doing this?

And that's a thing is that's not meant for anyone else to understand except for you. And every moment, every moment that you meet, you're confronted with this resistance internally, externally, whatever it is, you are refining your why you are refining why you show up and what this means to you. And that is going to bring this level of inner resilience and trust that is unwavering.

And that is exactly conviction, this conviction. And it's not a conviction because if I trust and feel enough and if I pray enough or if I manifest enough, then it's gonna happen. It's not a conviction of all of the things that I do for it to happen. It's a conviction of this will happen because I am allowing myself to be evolved and to be shaped by this process. And because I am witnessing my own growth and my own change and my own evolution.

That is why it's going to happen. Because I am learning. And your creation will go as far as you allow yourself to be created. I said what I said and I will die on that hill. Your creation will go as far as you allow yourself to be created. And the moment that you fold and the moment that you run away from yourself, then your creation is going to be stuck. It's going to stay stagnant. And it can loop in that.

You know what I mean? Like there are some people where they start one creative process, they meet the resistance, they feel that confrontation internally, externally. Usually it's both because they're mirroring as within, so without it's all mirroring the same energy. But it's like, OK, some people get stuck in that. They drop the creation. OK, now it shows up in the next creative loop and then more resistance. Drop that creation. Next creative loop. Like this is truly something.

And again, we are creating in every single moment of our lives, whether we believe it or not. Creation exists in the expression of all life around us is creation energy. It was created and it is being created. We are creating it. We are co-creating with everything. We are all interconnected. And this is also where we are all in connected in this creative process because we are all expressions of creation. And I know that this can be a little bit, Milena, this is super intangible. What are we talking about?

But I just want to hone in on the fact that creation is something that we are doing in every single moment that we are breathing and alive. That we are human. And so these are things that in this human experience, we are being created and we are creators. And that knowing, that awareness is huge because it's a way of moving through life. And also an awareness of I'm either going to confront this in this cycle right now, or we're going to meet it the second time around or the third time around or the and that pattern, it will show up in different ways. But it will always be showing up and showing you the same resistance and the only way through the resistance.

Sorry, the only way to get past the resistance is to go through it. There is no going around it. There is no bypassing. There is no transcending. I've tried. It's impossible. I wish I could tell you that there is a way, but the only way is through.

Meaghan (39:38): I really want to add on to that as to why we created the collective. Because doing this alone is hard. Meeting the resistance by yourself is so much more collapsing and it's so much easier to fold. Like when I tell you, I've had my own business, my somatic sexology coaching for the past four years, I meet resistance often there and it takes me out for a month or two sometimes.

When I meet my resistance in Venusian Moon because I have Milena here with me, because I don't want to disappoint her, more than I don't want to disappoint me. That's definitely a thing here. I mean, it doesn't have to be in the collective, but having someone to be accountable to in the process as well, to show up in integrity with who you say you are, what it is you want to be doing, it supports the process. Knowing that I have her as a mirror as well as have Venusian Womb as A mirror there's this desire to want to show up even more and know that I'm not doing it alone.

Seeing that, she's also meeting her own resistance in her own way. A lot of the times it mirrors each other and we're back and forth with, oh my God, you're going through that too? Me too, crazy. Which also gives us more faith in the process because of what it's unearthing in us that is often very, very similar. We can be like, oh wow, okay, so because we did this or because we're working on this, this is what it's illuminating within us. This is what it's bringing up within us. Okay, what does that mean about us? What is that like? What's it triggering? What's it activating within us? How do we wanna move with this? How can we meet it more deeply together?

Because if I did it alone, let me tell you, I would fold much more freaking easily. Like if I was doing this podcast by myself and I met the resistance, I would never film a freaking episode because I would have given up so long ago because it just would not have flowed and I would have kept getting frustrated and I would have been like, I can't do this. I'm incapable, I can't do this. But having somebody else there to be like, okay, what are you meeting right now?

Milena (41:39): I would have given up.

Meaghan (41:54): What's the resistance? Instead of like, yeah, you're right, Meaghan, you're not getting it. This is just clearly not happening. Maybe you can't podcast, maybe you can't talk. We'll sit and be like, okay, what's being met? And we'll meet it together. So our collective is a space to, yes, we wanna dream with you, we wanna support the dreams, but we want to support the shit as well. Because there is as much shit as there is light. And having a group of women, of people to see you, meet you, hold you, and empower you to do that, it's gonna make it feel so much more easeful and possible.

And you will feel like, wait, and let me tell you, when you pass the resistance, that moving through failure, or moving through the mistakes or the whatever, or the messes you're making and coming out on the other side, the feeling of, ⁓ damn, I am capable becomes strong. And the more you do it, the more you have evidence of, wait, I am capable, I've done this before. I've met this resistance before, not in this colour, not in this shape, this texture, but I have met resistance before and I have moved through it.

Therefore, I can do it again. And that's what our collective is there for, for you to dream big, for you to go deeply, to feel into it and also to meet the resistance with others who are doing the same, to not feel like you're alone and to have people hold your hand while you do it.

Milena (43:13): The collective is an incubator. It is a womb space and it will hold you. It will hold you in the process of you being created as you are exactly. And that's the biggest part of this. Like for all of the black sheep, lone wolf, know, people that have tried to do it all themselves.

Meaghan (43:22): And she will give you as much as you give to her.

Milena (43:39): Especially living in this world that we live in right now, where their connection is foreign, connection can feel unsafe, connection can feel confronting. And that has been a huge reframe for me of connection, because I can tell you this right now, I would not be here if I was not doing this.

With Meaghan in a way that is so deeply connected. And that's the beauty of being able to create and to be created with people. Like, you know, when we're talking about the collective, we're again, we're helping, we're helping you step into this creation of like stepping into this creator essence and recognizing the process of co-creating. It's an incubator to hold you as you're being created. And the beauty of it is that as people are sharing what the creative process, like how that's moving them, how that's, what that's bringing up for them, what's surfacing, that they're all holding a mirror for all of these parts of you.

Thank God for these circles when we started this work, because those circles helped me meet myself, truly. I could meet myself in every single woman that shared about their expression and what they were moving through in that moment. And in being in these spaces where these women are mirrors for me, and not everything resonates as truth, but there are definitely some things that I'm like, whoa, that you, you don't even know what you did, but you spoke those words to my soul. And like, that was exactly what I needed to hear. Because this now I have this awareness of myself.

And I recognize it, there's a resonance in my body of that, that's true, there's truth in that. And I'm so grateful because there are spaces within myself that I don't even know if I would have chosen to access unless the doorway was opened by someone else that was sharing about their experience. I'm like, oof, that was like deep in the subconscious. Like I didn't even realize that that was there and I don't even think I would have wanted to access that myself.

And trusting, trusting that, you know, what's being mirrored in your life and in these spaces, that's why they're so powerful. That's why they're so powerful because they amplify more awareness of yourself through others, through the other. We are all walking each other home. And that has been a complete reframe of how I operate in life, of being lone wolf to understanding that it's so hard to walk this path alone, especially when you hold this vision that other people don't see, especially before the vision is manifested before that potentiality is actually here. That moment, that liminal space of creation, that is one of the hardest and it's one of the most confronting. having someone hold your hand, having someone remind you of your power because your power, you will feel disempowered in so many moments of the creative process.

That's been ultimately how Meaghan and I have even gotten to the place that we are right now. And we've finally reached this place. And I'm sure we'll come back to this. There's a spiral. But in this moment of space time, we have both reached this space of the creative process of I am in it. Like I am in this.

Meaghan (47:09): Do your worst. Do your worst.

Milena (47:11): Do your worst, like whatever is required of me in this process of creation, I surrender to it and I accept it. And while it may be confronting, I know that I can meet that darkness or discomfort. And if I feel I can't, I know that I can have people that can hold me in that and can support me in that. it doesn't, I don't feel like I'm alone.

So I don't feel like I have to confront all of this heaviness and all of these feelings and all of these fears by myself. And sometimes, it's the hardest to give ourselves love and be kind to ourselves. It can be our worst critics, and to have someone that can hold that loving space for you and show you that even in those moments where you're meeting these parts of yourself that are really hard to, wow, this is how I've operated. This is how I've lived. These are the things that I've done.

All of that, having someone meet you with love, when you can't meet yourself there, that is one of the most healing and most intimate ways that we can be in connection, is truly seeing ourselves for our humanity, seeing ourselves for our truth. And this is something that is not isolated to me and Meaghan. This is not something that is isolated to the process of creating a business or podcast.

It's just part of being human. Like we're really just speaking to this human experience and to what it is to move through life in a way that where you feel like you are actively creating what you are experiencing in your internal and external world and honouring what's within you that is just edging to come out and trusting and surrendering and also having support.

And I guarantee you that when we are connected, and we are really, truly, vulnerably relating and honouring ourselves in that process, you can come out of this process created, having been created. And you'll notice, you'll notice who you were when you started and who you are in this moment and who you will continue to become because it never stops. You're always being created in every moment and having those connections.

There is a level of closeness when you meet people in that depth and in that space, that it's, I don't need to know any of your ego stories and what you've accomplished and what you've done. And it's like, absolutely, we are going to get there. I would love to know that. But when you're connecting to someone from a space that's so honest and vulnerable and open, that brings a level of intimacy and closeness and connection that it's so pure. There is no performative. There is no mask.

It's innocent, and it's just, it's such a, yeah, it's such a human way of connecting. And I really do. I hadn't experienced that. I hadn't truly experienced that level of connection.

Until very recently, as an adult. And that's me being completely honest, where I feel like I can be myself and not have to hold these masks up, not have to perform, not have to be a chameleon and make myself mould into the spaces and the people that I'm talking to. And that there is a level of liberation to be witnessed as your full self in your messy, in the darkness, in the resistance, in your light, in your gifts, in your power, in the moments you feel disempowered in your full spectrum.

And the more that you allow yourself to honour and integrate all of these parts that are going to be activated in the creative process, all of them, all the full spectrum, you'll experience emotions you've never experienced before. And you're like, what is this? Right? Like that, when you let yourself be in that, you're also giving everyone around you permission to do the same. And this is, again, this is a new way.

This is a new way of being, a new way of creating, a new way of connecting.

Yeah, celebrating, supporting, holding, witnessing, being with that, that is the essence of the collective. That is the essence of why we've created the space. Also, then we realized, and I do want to say this, we realized that we created this collective space, and we basically hosted a party, and then we sent out all the invites to the party.

And we said, Hey, everyone, here's the location. Here's the time. Here's the invite. Come to our party. And then and then that was it. And then we dropped the ball. You know why? Because we didn't teach people how to be in the party. We didn't teach them how to be in connection in this way. Again, this is a new way of being. We've had to understand how to completely redefine how we operate as humans through this process.

Meaghan (51:53): To our party! Be at this party! Wait.

Milena (52:19): And thankfully I have Meaghan, because it felt very unsettling, ungrounding and destabilizing in many moments of like, whoa, I don't know how to be, I don't know how to be this. Like, I don't know how to be in this, don't know, I don't know, this is so foreign. And again, it's like, this is a new way of being. So we recognize that we're also teaching, we're also teaching how to be in connection.

We're teaching how to co-create with others, how to support others' dreams, how to become empowered in your own by also witnessing that creation energy in others, how that activates you, and how to co-create with something greater, how to let go, how to detach. All of these things are part of how to be at this party. We're teaching how to, how are you showing up at the party? How are you connecting? What are we all here for? What are we connecting to?

Meaghan (53:12): What's the intention?

Milena (53:15): Yeah.

Meaghan (53:17): So to end on that note, we would love to thank you all for sticking around and listening to us talk about the resistance, considering this has been something very alive and present for both of us today, as we've been trying to record and yesterday in our womb circle. This was a very different format.

We don't typically lack structure in our episodes, but we hope you enjoyed it, and we do want to invite you to tune in next Friday for our next episode and to check out our website, check out what's going on, check out our blog posts, and we will see you next week.

Episode Links

Calls to Reflection and Action:

Let resistance guide you inward: Rather than seeing the wall as a failure, treat it as a cue to slow down, feel your body, meet your emotions, and see what part of you is asking to be witnessed.
Detach from the outcome so you can stay in your power: Release the pressure to create ideally or follow a rigid plan. Allow the process to shape you instead of forcing yourself to match an idea of how it should look.
Remember, you do not have to do it alone: Let yourself be supported by others who reflect your blind spots, remind you of your strength, and help you move through the moments when you want to fold.

The Truth of the Dark Feminine: Power, Shadow & Sovereignty

Tue, 04 Nov 2025 17:26:00 GMT

The Dark Feminine archetype has become a viral symbol across TikTok, Instagram feeds, podcasts, and modern spirituality spaces. She is depicted with captions about seduction, power, and mystery. But beyond the filters and soundbites, the true Dark Feminine is not about playing a role to attract or manipulate. She is not a costume to wear for validation.

What Is the Dark Feminine

The Dark Femme is an ancient frequency, a living force that calls women back into embodied truth and personal sovereignty. To meet her is to step beyond performance and into power that is rooted in your body.

The Dark Feminine, or Dark Femme, is the aspect of feminine consciousness that governs transformation, death and rebirth, shadow integration, and raw emotional truth. She is the part of us that no longer hides our depth, that demands authenticity, that burns away illusion.

The Dark Femme is not inherently “dark” because she is evil or harmful; she is dark because she moves through what is hidden. She is the moonlit part of the feminine psyche that holds rage, desire, grief, and truth in equal reverence.

When you meet her, you are meeting the parts of yourself that have been shamed or silenced, the parts that carry your primal power, your erotic charge, your emotional wisdom.

She teaches you that darkness is not the absence of light, but the soil where new life takes root.

The Integrated Dark Feminine

The integrated Dark Feminine is what happens when shadow meets love. She is what awakens when you stop performing and start inhabiting your truth. She is:

Radically honest. She speaks her truth even when her voice shakes.
Embodied. She feels safe in her body and owns her pleasure as sacred.
Fully expressed. She does not tone herself down for comfort.
Boundaried. Her "no" is as holy as her "yes."
Sovereign. She validates herself rather than chasing validation from others.

When the dark feminine is integrated, she does not use her energy to control. She uses it to create. Her power is not about dominance; it is about truth.

Milena, in her current season, moves through this integrated expression: rooted, magnetic, luminous. Her power is quiet yet unmistakable, born from self-trust. This is the light within the dark feminine, a woman who has met her shadow and now walks with it as an ally.

A Closing Invocation

May you enter the shadow not as a place of dread, but as a sacred hall of healing, where the parts of you once hidden are invited into presence.

May your inner child rise in trust, guiding you home through tenderness rather than force. May every ache become an altar, every suppressed whisper a song of return.

And may each breath deepen your living awareness so that you might feel your aliveness, grief, joy, and longing without shame, without escape.

Living the Dark Feminine

1. Honour your Shadow

Let your anger, grief, and desire move through your body without shame.

2. Practice Embodiment

Breathe into your belly, dance, or move until you feel your truth in your bones.

3. Reclaim Your Pleasure

Pleasure is not a tool for control but a source of divine life force.

4. Practice Radical Honesty

Speak your truth, even when it is messy or inconvenient.

5. Gather with Women

The dark feminine thrives in a community where truth is witnessed and held.

The Gift of Destruction

Every time you meet your own darkness with love, you expand your capacity for light. Each time you sit with the parts of yourself that ache, tremble, or rage instead of turning away, you reclaim a piece of your soul that was once abandoned.

The dark feminine shows you that wholeness is not found in perfection, but in your willingness to embrace every texture of your being. The sacred and the messy, the luminous and the raw.

The dark feminine is not the enemy of your healing. She is the healing. She is the fierce tenderness that meets your pain without flinching, the wisdom that whispers through your tears that nothing within you is too much or too broken to be loved. Furthermore, she reminds you that true power does not come from domination or control, but from radical acceptance. In her world, softness is not weakness; it is strength in its most primal form. It is the courage to open when everything in you wants to close.

When you allow yourself to fall apart, something ancient within you remembers how to rebuild. The structures that crumble were never meant to contain your fullness. As you surrender to the unravelling, you touch the pulse of the earth herself, the rhythm of death and rebirth that lives in all nature. You remember that to die to an old identity, an outdated story, or a false sense of belonging is not the end, but an initiation into a more profound truth.

This is the paradox of the dark feminine: she destroys, but only what is false. She is the death that births your most authentic life. She strips away illusions, burns through pretense, and clears the way for what is real. Her love is uncompromising. Not gentle in the way we are taught to expect, but merciful in its honesty. To walk with her is to surrender to transformation, to trust that every ending is an opening, and to realize that what you once feared as darkness is, in truth, the soil of your awakening.

Like all archetypes, the dark feminine carries shadow when she is fragmented or unintegrated. When her pain remains unhealed, she can express it as:

Manipulative. Using seduction or emotional games to feel powerful.
Chaotic. Creating drama as a way to feel seen or alive.
Vengeful. Seeking to punish rather than to transform.
Disconnected. Mistaking attention for intimacy.
Addictive. Using sexuality as a weapon instead of an expression of love.

This shadow side is not “wrong,” but it is unhealed. It often arises from deep wounds like rejection, abandonment, and betrayal. All where love was once tied to control or validation.

For Meaghan, this energy has surfaced as a burning rage, a desire to break free from old relational patterns that fed on approval. She is learning that to feel this fire does not make her broken; it makes her human. The key is to let that fire purify rather than destroy.

The Shadow of the Dark Feminine

The Misuse of the Dark Femme Online

In recent years, the “Dark Femme” archetype has been distorted in online culture. Many women are being taught to channel their energy as a strategy to “get the man”, to manipulate attraction through mystery, withholding, or sexual power.

But the true Dark Feminine is not interested in conquest. She is interested in liberation.

Her power does not come from how others respond to her, but from how deeply she knows herself. When you embody her, you do not use your magnetism to gain attention; you use it to expand your capacity for life, creativity, and love.

The dark feminine archetype is not a tool to make someone fall for you. It is an initiation into falling in love with yourself: your rage, your pleasure, your hunger, your silence.

When you embody her truthfully, relationships shift not because you manipulate energy, but because you radiate coherence.

To walk with the Dark Feminine is to reclaim your energy from the places you have given it away. It is remembering that your body, your pleasure, your voice, and your truth are yours.

She invites you to stop performing and to start living from the inside out. To stop chasing love and start embodying it. To stop hiding behind masks of goodness, beauty, or strength, and to meet the parts of you that have long been exiled.

When you say yes to her, you are saying yes to feeling it all: the grief, the rage, the longing, the wild aliveness that has been waiting to move through you. You begin to trust your body as an oracle rather than something to control or fix. You start to recognize that your darkness is not a flaw, but a fertile ground where truth takes root.

To walk with her is to unlearn self-betrayal. You no longer silence yourself to keep the peace, abandon yourself to be loved, or dim your power to make others comfortable. You start to feel your emotions without collapsing. To speak your truth without apology. To let desire move through you as devotion rather than performance.

In this way, the Dark Feminine becomes your teacher in self-respect and spiritual maturity. She teaches you that love without boundaries is not love, that power without humility is hollow, and that true embodiment is not about perfection but presence.

She reminds you that your darkness and your light are not opposites. They are lovers dancing within you, guiding you home to wholeness.

Returning to Sovereignty

The Dark Feminine Archetype: The Light and Shadow

Fri, 31 Oct 2025 18:34:51 GMT

Episode Summary

This episode dives into the raw, untamed terrain of the dark feminine archetype , exploring both her radiance and her shadow with unfiltered honesty. Milena and Meaghan open the space by naming the dark feminine as an energy that can feel provocative, messy, liberating and deeply confronting. T hey unravel how her light expresses through radical self-acceptance, unapologetic authenticity and a fierce devotion to truth, while her shadow surfaces through chaos, manipulation, rage and the impulse to burn everything down when wounded.

Together, they name the fine line between destruction and empowerment , illuminating how the dark feminine becomes an influential teacher when met with awareness rather than repression. The conversation weaves through themes of rage alchemy, sovereignty, emotional honesty, the collective sexualization of the feminine, triggers between women and choosing integrity over reaction. Listeners are invited to witness their own shadow patterns, expand their capacity to sit with discomfort and reclaim the parts of their feminine expression they have been taught to fear.

This episode is an initiation into the depths of feminine power. It is a call to meet the darkness not as something to tame, but as a force that expands your heart, strengthens your resilience and anchors you more fully into the truth of who you are.

Key Takeaways

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Transcript

Milena (00:58): Hello everyone, and welcome to the Venusian Womb podcast. We are so grateful to have you join us for this conversation, which will push a few buttons. It's going to trigger a few of you, maybe, but it's going to be a very real raw.

And a messy episode as we tap into the dark feminine energy, which is perfect for Scorpio season. The veil is thin. And this is an archetype that is running rampant in our collective right now. So let's get into it. I will be tapping into the light expression of dark feminine energy. So in the light expression, we're talking power.

We're talking radical acceptance and honesty with who the fuck you are and who you came to be. This is an energy that is in full expression, is untamed, that is messy for the sake of being for the sake of being her fullest essence of self. And this is also an energy that, for many, will feel intimidating, may feel uncomfortable. It may feel like too much, but it's also a reflection of all of them and whether they are in their full expression or not.

And this is why this archetype, and just dark feminine in her power, in her fullness, in her radiance, she knows herself. She's not playing small. She's not trying to make you feel comfortable. She doesn't actually think about you because she's not even caring about how she's being perceived. And there is a confidence that comes in the embodiment of that energy, that is a power that no one can take from you.

Milena (02:56): Because she doesn't allow any judgments, any perceptions to penetrate her aura. And this is one of those archetypes that we can call in, especially when we're feeling defeated, feeling disappointed, moving through shadows in life, feeling triggered, wounds coming up, attachment patterns are being highlighted in relationships.

And those moments when life brings you down to your knees and you feel completely disempowered and hopeless, this is where you'll meet her.

Meaghan (03:33): Hmm. I'm going to be so radically freaking honest right now. I had to dissociate while you spoke about the light so that I could stay connected to the dark. Ooh, there's already shame in sharing her darkness, the dark side of the dark femme. But we're gonna go there. The dark femme, her shadow side is manipulative. It's secret. It's mysterious. It's deceitful. It's fucking angry. It's vengeful.

She will hurt just for the sake of hurting. Because she's hurt, but she doesn't care. She will take advantage. She will seduce.

She is angry, and her anger is chaotic. It's unapologetic, like in the light, but destructive. And she's willing to burn the whole freaking world down along with herself with it.

Just because she can. Just because why not? Because someone pissed her off? Because someone hurt her? Because someone took advantage of her? Fuck it all. The dark femme doesn't give a flipping fine fuck.

Meaghan (05:02): And she is very dysregulated. I can feel as I'm feeling into it how dysregulated my body is. How I can't tell if I want to break down and cry. If I want to scream at the fucking top of my lungs. That I just want to keep swearing because I'm so angry and I don't know how else to get this anger point without actually screaming into this microphone right now.

That have to take deep breaths. have to keep consciously reminding myself right, you're on a chair, Meaghan you're you're recording a podcast right now. Don't get too unhinged. But also this is the dark femme. She's unhinged.

She's uncomfortable.

She's not fun to be around. She doesn't make you feel bubbly and giggly, which is such a mirror for me because that's who I am at my core. The dark femme is uncomfortable for those witnessing her and for herself sometimes too, because she's pushing herself to edges that she's never gone before. And she has choice to make along the way. Ooh, am I gonna react from this space or am I gonna start responding?

And that's where the alchemy of the light comes in when you start alchemizing all of this that comes up in the shadow of the dark femme to the light.

She's a beast.

Milena (06:23): We are riding the edge of contrast right now in this moment. And that's the thing is that there is a fine line. There is a really fine line between the dark feminine energy expressed in her light versus when she's expressed in her shadow. When her soul is leading.

Her soul, her soul that knows beyond the ego, beyond these stories of pain, beyond these stories of they did this to me. They took advantage of me. This is unfair. It doesn't mean that those stories aren't truth because they are. They fucking are. And that's where the rage comes in because she's rageful for what is right. For something that was done to her that is not, that's wrong.

That's hurtful. That's harmful. That disrespected her. That made her feel weak. That siphoned her power. That siphoned her energy. That tried to control her.

And when we're able to go beyond these stories that live within the ego, that live within this is personal, this is happening to me.

And that light, that little piercing light that can come through in that darkness and destruction and chaos. It is accessible when we allow ourselves to meet our soul within this archetype. To go beyond the ego, beyond the stories, beyond the pain body. And really just allowing, allowing all of this darkness to be here, to be loved, to be allowed in the light of my awareness, in the light of my love.

Because this too is allowed. And this too is part of me.

And this too is not too much. It's exactly what is. And that's where the radical honesty comes in. Of let yourself get messy. Let yourself get messy for the sake of witnessing the mess. Witnessing what's inside of you. Because when you don't allow yourself to see the mess, you are projecting, spilling, and spewing this mess onto everyone. That God forbid, pushes your button. Gave you a dirty look. Deceived you.

And the dark feminine in her light, in her power, she doesn't even lift her finger for the sake of teaching someone a lesson. Because she knows when to pick and choose her battles, it doesn't mean she won't. Because when she needs to, when she needs to put up a boundary, when she needs to defend herself, she will. She won't even think about it. She won't even consider you.

She'll say what needs to be said and speak from a place of truth. It's not coming from this place of "I'm going to hurt you in the same ways that you hurt me." It's not coming from the place of I'm going to project or react with the same energy that you gave me. Because she knows she's better than that.

She transmutes it.

And when she needs to engage, she responds from a place of truth.

Meaghan (10:14): There's deep accountability that she takes in her light. She will own the mess she made in her shadow. She will radically be honest with herself in the way she's been hurting herself, in the way she's hurt the ones around her. And she will own it, and she will take accountability for it. But when she's in her shadow. Let's just say it's not in her conscious awareness at all. She'll run, she'll hide, or she'll just keep making messes. As Milena said, it's gonna spew, it's gonna flow, it's I don't know what word you used, but she's not aware. The harm she's causing. And again, she's in pain because of injustice, injustices, unfairness, rage, generational anger and rage.

And I do feel. It's important to talk about the relationship to the masculine because I believe deeply that our relationship to the masculine as a collective is what provokes our dark femme in many ways, especially the shadow side.

I'm gonna invite everyone to take a deep breath.

We live in a society that tells us as women to stay small but also speak up. Be sure you're pretty, but not too pretty. We are constantly being fed contradictions of how we are meant to be. Act, behave, speak. It's infuriating. It makes no sense. It's provoking.

It's dysregulating. I'm feeling very dysregulated as we're recording this episode. It's like I have to keep coming back to my train of thought because I, with this energy, how I personally love the tantrum. I want to scream right now. Like I am literally holding myself back from screaming.

And that's frustrating in and of itself because it wouldn't be socially acceptable for me to scream on this podcast right now. After all, I do want to be mindful of y'all who are tuning in, and I don't want to burst your eardrums. But there's this containment with the dark femme that we're continuously dancing around, walking this edge of like, can I expand here? No, no, no, I need to contract a little bit more. But I really do want to be expressed in this way, but that's not appropriate. Don't do that. You're going to step on too many people's toes.

That's gonna make people too uncomfortable. Ooh, how dare you?

Milena (13:35): How dare you have the audacity?

Meaghan (13:37): And coming back to the masculine. I don't even know if I want to go on that tangent. It feels important, but I don't even know if it's as important as the point I'm wanting to make right now, and I've already lost my train of thought. Wow, when I tell you the shadow, and this is an exact representation of the dark femme in her shadow, because she's not gonna do things that make sense. It's not logical, it's not rational, it's emotional. It's driven by pure chaos of...

Milena (14:16): There is something that's coming through for me, though, in terms of relating to this very masculine, dominant world, which is the ways that the feminine is sexualized.

Meaghan (14:27): Yes, thanks. That's where I was going to go. Take it away.

Milena (14:30): It's the way that this sexual energy is siphoned because it makes money, because it's seductive, because it's tempting, because it captivates your attention. And by captivating your attention, it's getting your energy. And this is everywhere in our society here in North America. Women being sexualized. For the sake of making a profit.

Meaghan (15:02): Not just women, children.

Milena (15:04): Children. And that's where the infuriation comes in, because there is this loss of innocence. There is this loss of connection to our sexuality for ourselves, for our own pleasure, for our own witnessing, and not for anyone or anything else unless I choose it.

Meaghan (15:38): That's something about the dark femme that makes people so uncomfortable. She's an unapologetically sexually expressed woman for herself, not for anyone else around her. I mean, maybe she wants to give a little show sometimes, of her own free will. But she naturally embodies her sexual energy, her sensual energy.

Her eroticism, that aliveness that pulses through her. And that makes people so uncomfortable. Why? Because there's power there. There's a power that is condemned, considered taboo, and forbidden.

And it's so frustrating when the type of society we typically live in right now perceives power as domination, as control, as manipulation through force. But the dark femme, she does that through her magnetism, through her energy, through her expression.

And that's scary as fuck to some.

Milena (16:53): She is the most radical permission slip that you will ever witness. And that, that discomfort that that provokes of witnessing her in her fullest untamed expression, that's the medicine. That's what's showing you the ways in which you were not yet free. And I hate to say it like that, but that's truth.

Meaghan (17:09): Hmm. And I will. And I want to reflect a question to anyone listening to this, specifically women. If you were to just think about a woman in your life that triggers you. And really sit with what about this woman triggers you? What is this illuminating within you? What parts of this woman are being expressed that maybe parts of yourself are longing to be expressed to? What about her, her expression, her essence, what she does, how she talks makes you uncomfortable? Because that is telling you more about yourself than it is about her. What part of that is illuminating something within you?

Because that is the alchemy of the shadow of the dark femme to the light.

Milena (18:17): It's interesting because when we feel into the trigger being triggered by another woman's expression, and I mean, I've definitely experienced this, experiences all the time, especially when I'm going out, and I'm going into spaces that are calling in these magnetic, these sensually sexually embodied women. And these are the spaces that I desire to be in.

Why? Because in witnessing them, I'm also able to feel permission from them to actually see, feel, and experience the edges of my own expression around women who are doing the same, around women who have maybe pushed them in certain ways that I haven't.

And at the same time, in these experiences and in these spaces of being confronted by a woman in her power, competitiveness can also come into play. Because then sometimes when it's triggering insecurity in us, that's what's causing this power dynamic that starts to play out, where I am no longer inspired by you, but I want to be better than you.

I wanna be the best!

Meaghan (19:44): The jealousy, which again, none of these emotions are bad. They're really just feelings and emotions or compasses pointing us towards more of what we truly want to embody and be.

Milena (19:45): The jealousy, the envy. And that's exactly what they're expressing through being present. It's that desire. I want to be like that. And it's really, it's really, again, like I said, this dark and this light expression of the dark feminine energy, it's a fine line. It's a fine line of order and chaos in finding balance, being able to welcome in the shadow and also integrate it.

So that we're not acting from the shadow. We're not acting from this place of needing to prove, of needing to perform, of needing to hold power over, of competing with. It's just, this is what it is, and I'm going to allow myself to be with the fullness of these emotions, of the triggers, of the shadow, and meet it, and also take a moment to anchor in it. Because I guarantee you that if you are immediately trying to respond,

It's not gonna come from a very grounded place, especially if this territory, this archetype, has been unfamiliar for you. And I mean, even now, I've been exploring with the dark feminine energy and there's still edges that I haven't gotten to. And I'm meeting every single moment.

Meaghan (21:20): Yeah, she's like, and that's I want to give an example of like walking this fine line of feeling into that dark femme energy between the chaos and the order, I guess we could say. And thinking of the archetype of the good girl, the people pleaser, that being and doing everything right, not stepping on anyone's toes, shrinking yourself, staying small, not being too much. As you're like sifting

Between these spaces of bringing empowerment and just bringing to your consciousness and your awareness, like noticing when are you people pleasing? Because as much as I don't people please as close to as much as I did in the past, I still do. And that's not me and my dark femme when I am. But the dark femme helps see when the good girl pops in. And she calls her in. She calls her in with so much honesty: "Wait a minute, Girly-Pop." Didn't you wanna say no? Didn't you want to say no? Fuckin' thank you. Why'd you say yes? And the honesty it takes to meet yourself in those moments as you're saying, and it doesn't mean you have to say no. You might say yes, but to be really freakin' honest with yourself, you're right, girl. That's not what I wanna do. That doesn't feel good. I am trying to please this person right now, not because I don't want to be uncomfortable. The dark femme is uncomfortable. You are going to be uncomfortable in the dark femme.

A lot of the time, because she's constantly pushing you to be in integrity with yourself, to be the version of yourself that brings your shadow into wholeness, to face what makes you feel rejected, what makes you feel humiliated, what makes you feel abandoned, not enough. And that's not comfy. That's not fun to do. But in doing so, there's a reclamation of your sovereignty, of your power that nobody can take from you.

Not a single person, because when you know your shadow. You can't be called out on your shadow. She's part of you. You love her. You acknowledge her. You know she comes out to play dirty sometimes and you could notice then. You could meet her and be like, "Oh, whoa, girl... whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I see you. I hear you!" Let's maybe think about doing what you want to do right now. I understand why you want to do it. It's valid, but let's maybe try something different.

Milena (24:08): Just want to take a moment and say thank you so much, Meaghan, for all of the moments that I've been this close, been this close to being destructive as fuck and sending the message that I wanted to send and reacting and spewing the same energy that I've been given. And Meaghan's been like, Milena, Milena?

I hear you. And she'll sit. She'll sit in the energy with me. She'll meet the rage. Bless your soul. She'll meet the fucking humiliation. She'll meet the shame. And then it's just, okay, you know what? The best advice I've been given, thank you, is to sleep on it.

Sleep on it. And in the moment, I am like 99.9 % convinced that this is exactly what I need to do. To give people a taste of their medicine. To give people a taste of their fucking medicine. To teach them a lesson. To say the things that need to be said. To confront them with the truth.

Meaghan (25:32) : And the dark femme in her shadow can't stand when people have these perceptions of her that are inaccurate, that are not true, pour salt in her wounds. But when she's integrated, when she's in the light, she doesn't care because she knows her truth, because she knows her character, because whatever everybody else is whispering and saying about her, let them.

Milena (26:02): Let them because she's not proving anything. She's not performing. She doesn't care. She knows who she is, and she knows her people will come to her to ask her. She knows her people won't talk behind her back. They're going to call her in, "Hey girl, I heard this, let's talk about it."

And I want to say that... With great power comes great responsibility.

And she will, she will liberate you and empower you in a way that any other archetype will not, because she'll bring you into that darkness, into the unseen, into the unconscious, into the ways that you're playing small, to the ways that you've given your power away. And when you do meet that power, when you can really like embody this archetype, how are you using it?

How are you using that power? How are you engaging with the world from this place of power? And this is something that requires a whole lot of discernment when you're trying to express this archetype in her light. For one, is that situation worth giving her the power over?

If it's to teach the lesson, if it's to say the thing that needs to be said, if it's to defend or stand up for a situation that she feels is unjust, is it worth engaging with it? Or is it just one of those things that's just, let it go?

Meaghan (27:41): Engagement. I want you to say that one more time. Is it worth engaging with?

Everybody, write that down in your notes immediately. Is this situation, this person, this TikTok comment, or this Instagram comment worth engaging with? Is it worth putting your energy into that? If yes, by all means, go for it, queen. But be freaking honest with yourself. That's where the self-honesty comes in.

Milena (28:13): Are you doing it to control how people perceive you? Are you doing it to control or manipulate a situation? Or are you doing it because it is a truth that needs to be expressed? Discernment. Two notes. Is it worth engaging with? Is it worth giving your power away to? Because a woman who's in her power, she knows when it's worth it. She knows when to hold on to that power and hold on to that precious energy and direct it to her. Be better.

Don't be bitter, be better. That is the greatest fucking medicine that a woman in her power can give to anyone. Sometimes it's really the don't engage, let it go, let them learn the lesson, or let them learn whatever is there for them to learn in that experience and move on. Because she also, she has standards. She has standards of how she's being treated.

Meaghan (29:11): There's something coming through pretty strong for me right now that I want to speak to. It might not be coherent in any way, or form, but this is very dark femme related.

We are women, we as women, we experience our feelings, our emotions intensely. And we are taught or told to diminish them, to speak more logically or speak, don't speak from emotion.

But emotion is what provokes the emotions that arise from what happens to us is what calls us into our power or calls us into our rage or calls us into our manipulation or it's part of it. And if we keep telling women to speak more regulated or do all these things in the proper freaking way, are you really letting a woman be a woman?

It's very frustrating when I think of it. Obviously, I'm not saying if you're angry to yell at someone, to yell at them at the top of your lungs or to be mean, be aggressive. Still, I don't think it's productive or right for us to tell them not to speak from their emotions or to let their feelings be present as they speak. Because if you're uncomfortable with someone's emotions, by what they're speaking from,

You're taking it so personally. You're absorbing their emotion into you, onto you.

You're not creating space for the expression of the human in front of you, for the realness of what that person is moving through or going through, or how whatever's happened has truly impacted them. You're making them walk on eggshells, keep themselves small. And by learning to hold these feelings, these emotions within your own

Let me give an example. Every freaking episode we start to record one of these podcast episodes, I am not having it. I am in a mood. I am angry. I am frustrated. It's just not making sense to me. And Milena doesn't take it personally. She sits there and she holds me in it.

We're not meant to just hold people in the light, the love, the excitement. We're meant to be holding each other through it all. So when we tell a woman to, you're too much, there's too much emotion now, I can't hear you when you're speaking from emotion. We're quite literally repressing or telling her to play small, to be small, to be digestible. And that doesn't feel right.

Milena (32:13): So, I think it's no coincidence that while we're filming the dark feminine archetype talking about destruction and chaos, I plug my computer in while recording, and it just crashes out. It literally restarted and closed all my pages.

What a beautiful reflection of this energy. I wanted to add this point of pain, the discomfort and how that is the actual doorway to be able to really embody change in the human experience, it is the way that we are evolutionarily built, like we are literally built to adapt to extreme conditions and adversity to survive, to preserve our species. And it's this primitive part of being human that really comes into play when we find ourselves in moments of extreme discomfort, of deep pain.

Of, "I can't possibly live another moment like this." And this is how we feel in our bodies energetically: there is a very strong dissonance in the ways we are showing up in our world and in our lives for ourselves. And pain is one of these energies, one of these emotions that, if we have choice, we will choose not to feel it every time. I can almost guarantee that.

Also, I especially like living in a society where we are pretty comfortable. We're used to having things very accessible, at the tip of our fingers; we can get almost anything we want. And so...

Meaghan (34:00): Facts.

Milena (34:21): It's a very confronting emotion. It's not one that we experience very often, unless we are continuously, consciously putting ourselves in these pockets, in these little pockets of contained discomfort. And that starts to build our resilience so that when life happens, because it will and it's inevitable, when we are confronted with pain or discomfort, we are able to meet it. We're able to stay.

We're not avoiding it. We're not running away. We're not folding and just allowing it to like sweep us in, this nothingness and this, can't do anything in this hopelessness. And the dark feminine, she, she will meet you. She'll meet you in your pain. She'll meet you in your discomfort and she'll stay. And she'll call you to stay with yourself. And that when you allow yourself to fully, truly feel that.

And it's going to be uncomfortable, but it's going to be so worth it because that energy will transform you in ways that you could have never imagined that you would be transformed. And it's one of those things where it's like, you can't go back. You can't go back when you allow yourself to be transformed by this energy to really let it move you in whatever ways it's calling you into change in your life.

That is going to build a level of self-trust and resilience and confidence that no other thing will. And so this is really an invitation to meet the discomfort, to meet the pain in moments, to meet the, oh my God, I don't know how I'm going to get through this. Like, I don't know how I'm going to, I don't know how to exist. I don't know how to be like to meet that, to meet all of that. And to just allow yourself to breathe through it. To move it.

Meaghan (36:25): I want to feed off of that and read me as if anyone has listened to our " What is Venusian Womb " the first episode of this podcast. This all started with our journey with the feminine archetypes. And I would like to read part of something we wrote down two years ago.

"She alchemizes rage into passion. She alchemizes shame into love. She alchemizes chaos into peace. She alchemizes insecurities into self-confidence. She alchemizes all that doesn't serve to her benefit, knowing that any darkness that may unfold from within herself is her fuel to the eternal flame within to shine even brighter, embodying more light, more love."

So on that note, I don't have much more to say about the dark femme, unless Milena has something else she'd like to add.

Milena (37:28): I do want to say that meeting the dark femme and journeying with her, connecting with her, embodying her...

Honestly, the entire purpose of it is expansion. That's the word that I would use is expansion. Expanding your heart and the love that you are able to nurture for yourself to meet all parts of yourself, expanding your capacity to meet all parts of another in their full spectrum, in their dark, in their light.

Milena (38:12): And that love is a love that welcomes you in. It's a love that allows you to exist. It's a love that will be truthful. And that truth may be confronting, but it won't judge you.

And this is a very edgy, uncomfortable archetype to work with. And like we spoke about, it can be very destructive, can be very harmful.

And that may be expressed in moments that are a messy part of this that come through. And it's really just allowing, allowing, allowing this archetype to embody to unfold in the ways that she does and bringing it back to that expansion, that expansion of your expression, that expansion of the love that you hold for the fullness, the fullness in the world for the light for the dark. And to bring more light through your expression, to bring more light through your power, to bring more light through your embodiment. This is the entire purpose of how we can really alchemize ourselves and our lives and our human experience in a way that serves ourselves and also everyone around us.

And this is really calling everyone in to have discernment with the ways that this archetype is expressing in your life. To have radical honesty and to adjust, to adjust the ways that you may be directing this energy. If you're noticing that it's expressing more in the shadow in the control and the power.

And it's not to shame it or make it wrong. It's just to become aware and to redirect.

So those are my final notes. just some, again, the notes, the things that are notes. Is it worth engaging with? Do we engage? Yes or no? Two, sleep on it. Sleep on it. Even if it's just 24 hours, please sleep on it. And three, how are we using our power? Are we using it?

Meaghan (40:19): Hmm. Disengage! Disengage! Sleep on it.

Milena (40:45): For good or are we using it to harm because it can do both, and that is really going to call you into a whole lot of integrity.

And on that note...

Meaghan (40:59): Thank you. Thank you for journeying with us in the dark , femme, for listening, and for setting aside time to tune in. We invite you to tune in again next Friday for the next episode, check out our website, and read the blog post there. We also have the episode transcripts.

And I'd also like to start planting the seed for the invitation to join our Womb Circle, which we'll host on November 16th from 2.30 to 5 p.m. It's going to be an online women's circle, journeying through whatever theme is most alive at that time. We haven't created the circle yet because we would like it to be more intentional about what is coming up closer to the date. But we would love to have as many of you who feel called to join us in that sacred gathering.

So thank you, and we'll see you next time.

Episode Links

Calls to Reflection and Action:

Invite yourself to meet the full spectrum of your emotions (especially anger, jealousy, discomfort). Instead of suppressing or judging them, explore what they reveal about your desires, boundaries, and unmet needs.
Practice discernment in moments of activation by asking two simple questions: Is this worth engaging with, and is this worth giving my power to? This helps you respond from truth rather than react from woundedness.
Let the dark feminine guide you toward deeper self-honesty by noticing when you shrink, people- please, or play small. Use these moments as portals to reclaim your power through radical self-ownership, presence, and accountability.

So Venusian: A Love Letter to the Feminine

Fri, 24 Oct 2025 16:38:15 GMT

Episode Summary

The conversation opens with an invitation into Venusian energy , described as magnetism, openness, receptivity, beauty and sensual presence. From the start, Meaghan and Milena guide listeners into a somatic awareness of how this frequency feels in the body. They explore how Venusian energy has evolved in their personal lives and in the creation of Venusian Womb, including the resistance they each felt when first encountering the term, and how that resistance acted as a doorway into deeper self-understanding .

Through their stories, they frame Venusian energy as an embodied practice of softening, slowing down and allowing oneself to experience pleasure through the senses without defaulting to performance, sexualization or judgment. They recall a ceremony in which a simple shell instrument became the catalyst for accessing innocence, curiosity and tactile pleasure, revealing how sensuality is rooted in presence rather than sexuality. They also speak candidly about the cultural conditioning that disconnects women from their pleasure, and how meeting that conditioning with breath and softness rewires the nervous system.

The episode then weaves sensuality with emotional expression, showing how Venusian presence supports the full spectrum of human experience. From rage to grief to joy, they emphasize how pleasure can be integrated into shadow work, expanding capacity to feel without shutting down . Their examples of tantrums, somatic release and co-creation illustrate how the Venusian frequency shapes their friendship, their rituals and the spaces they facilitate.

Throughout, they frame Venusian energy as unconditional love that welcomes every part of the self , including the messy, painful, or shame-filled parts. This love is not bypassing but a grounded compassion that becomes the foundation for healing, integration and creative expression.

Key Takeaways

This episode of The Venusian Womb Podcast is available on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , and wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcript

Meaghan (00:58): Hello, and welcome to the Venusian Womb podcast. Today, we are so excited to dive into Venusian energy. What it is, what it means, how to embody it, how it is part of the essence of this creation, and explore our evolution with what Venusian energy was from the beginning to how it's evolved and has become way more embodied today. So with that, I wanna open the field.

Invite everyone to take a deep breath into their body, breathing deeply into the belly or the pelvic floor, whatever feels good, and feel into that Venusian energy. Venusian energy is magnetism, openness, receptivity, beauty, adoration, and sensuality. And notice where that comes up for you in the body.

Where do you sense it? Where do you feel it? How is it moving you? Is it inviting you to take a deeper breath to hold yourself?

And be here with it for a couple of moments. Well, actually, for a whole episode and maybe even bring it into the rest of your day. But that is what we are connecting to today, as we're gonna talk about Sovnuchin, which I'm actually gonna let Milena explain that a little bit.

Milena (02:20): So, yes, as you can see, So Venusian is the title of this episode. And this is the tagline that just came through, as Meaghan and I started creating Venusian Womb and connecting to this Venusian energy so much more.

And I'm so grateful for the way you introduce that because that is the Venusian energy. This openness, this beauty, this connection and receptivity. And for there to be a connection, there needs to be this openness. There needs to be this curiosity even to be able to receive, to receive someone else in connection, to receive yourself, to receive your own pleasure and your own embodied presence and experiencing of a moment. And that's every moment. And that's the beauty of tapping into this Venusian energy and just this frequency within the field, right? Like everything, you can find Venusian energy and beauty and radiance and everything around you when you are tapping into this energy and allowing it to move through your life, allowing it to move through the ways that you are seeing life, the ways that you are experiencing it and connecting to it and connecting to others. And it's been lovely to tap into this energy more, understanding it through both our lived experiences and this creative process. And I'm curious, Meaghan, if you have anything else to add about just tapping into this energy.

Meaghan (03:56): I do. There are actually two things that were popping into my mind as you were speaking. One: When we first recorded our episode on the Venusian womb, we were very focused on the womb. And I also noticed I'm going to speak for myself here. That was a personal reflection on the womb energy, which I've been more acquainted with embodying. And the Venusian I've always desired to understand and to play with more. But it's still being integrated into my body.

And recently, over the past couple of weeks, there's been this solid integration of what Venusian energy really is. And I'm really excited to speak about it more because having both of these parts of Venusian Womb, Womb has been mostly talked about, but the Venusian, we're slowly bringing and trickling it more in. ⁓ It's something, yeah, it's new. This is still very new for me...

Uncovering what Venusian really means for me personally, and then for us in Venusian Womb and for the collective . There's that. And then also it's interesting, I think, because I had resistance because when Milena said, so Venusian way back when, when we started the resistance that I felt in my body to just that expression, it was like, no, that's never going to catch on. No way, it doesn't even sound good. It didn't even sound good to me at first.

And I caught myself saying it a week ago or two weeks ago or whatever it was now. And it felt so natural and so right. And I looked at myself, and I'm like, I get it. My God. Yes. It's so Venusian. So I want to extend the invitation that if these words, the words we use, the energies we're speaking about, are not landing right away, maybe they won't land ever. But if they're not landing right now and there's resistance, just be curious about it. Because let me tell you, when I feel resistance, I feel resistance. Like it's a block. Like, there's no going forward. We're meeting at that block, and we're just gonna sit with the block for a bit. If the word Womb Venusion or anything else that we're talking about, venusian energy brings up any forms of resistance, just be with it and allow it to soften, meet it. You gotta meet it, that's all. And then, by meeting it, see how it opens? How are you able to receive?

Milena (06:17): Oh my god, I love, I love the ways that your words activate so much in me. And so what's coming through right now is all of those moments of resistance, all of these walls that come up, they're all doorways in. It's always a space for us to get curious about ourselves. And there are always pieces of consciousness or awareness that we can derive from.

Being curious, being open to meeting ourselves and exploring what that doorway is leading you to. And I want to actually, if there's any talk of resistance coming up right now.

And I think for me that resistance, a lot of that has just been feeling this too muchness of it's like too much to be a woman that's in her power, that's in her pleasure, that's in her sensual expression, that is slowly moving through life and taking deep belly breaths.

And I don't know if you've had this experience of like giving yourself a moment to actually slow down in real time, like in, you know, busy city life. I live in Toronto and just watching the way that people are perceiving me as they're, as they're witnessing me in my, in my own slowness and in my own breath and in my own just like moment of presence and

It does feel in those moments like I'm being too much or like I'm being too sensual? Am I being perceived as being sexual? Am I, you know, maybe doing like, just feels like this too muchness. And that's been a huge doorway in for me.

In meeting this Venusian energy and just speaking to the resistance and anyone else as they're listening to this, I want to create this doorway and through this resistance, and to be able to actually open up to what this Venusian energy is. And a very helpful metaphor or visualization that was supportive for Meaghan and me, actually, when we beautifully connected to Venusian energy.

Ceremony with a soul sister, we really just dropped into this Venusian energy field, and we were all connected to the same energy, co-creating and experiencing it at the same time. And what was really supportive for me in that actual experience was understanding, in a more embodied way, what Venusian energy is. Let me see if I have it. I don't have it around me.

But it's this shell instrument, and basically, it's just like, it's all of these hollow shells. You know what? I do desire to go get it.

So, while we were in this trip, I took this instrument and it's just a bunch of hollow shells and just grazing it, grazing it on the skin, feeling the ways that the touch was grounding me in my body, feeling, listening to the sound, the sound as it's trickling, as it's trickling down my body, caressing me.

And that moment, that moment, was the doorway for me to truly understand what it is to slow down and to experience pleasure through our senses in the present moment, because it's only accessible in the present moment when you allow yourself to be open, to be receptive.

And to fully experience and meet the present moment with all of your sensual presence. Call all of your energy and awareness into that moment.

And that was the doorway in. It was an instrument. It was an instrument as simple as this, and taking the time to make, to ritualize it, to ritualize it as a doorway in. And this is an invitation for you: if you have anything, you know, any instrument or tactile tool you could use, that's something I would 100% recommend if you're trying to really connect to this energy from a more somatic space.

Meaghan (10:53): It was insane. When you first took the shell out, I stopped breathing. There was the resistance that had already come through, which I really want to speak to. We're going to be speaking a lot about pleasure and openness and receptivity and allowing yourself to feel your sensuality through your senses. But we as women have been deeply conditioned not to feel our pleasure, to disconnect from our bodies.

To escape. And in that moment when Milena brought it up, as much as I know, because I experienced that with her too, how pleasurable that was, I had a moment of disconnection of, literally, if you probably watch this video, you could see me hold my breath. And then I remind like, breathe, Meaghan, breathe. And we're just talking about pleasure, just talking about sensuality. There is this almost freeze.

There's a survival response that comes through. It's not safe. We're not safe to feel pleasure in our bodies. We're not safe to experience the full extent of our sensory experiencing in the world. And this is something we've been taught. And I think it's really important that we kind of drive this point home because this speaks so much to what Milena was saying about the "too much." I don't want to be too much.

Milena (11:52): Mm-hmm. It's not safe.

Meaghan (12:16): I don't want to take up too much space. I don't want to be too sensual, too sexual, which are two very different things. And I think a lot of the time they get conflated and mixed up together. Sensuality is really how you are experiencing the world through your senses, the pleasure you experience from the world around you, through your sight, what you hear, what you smell, what you taste, what you touch. And sexuality, that's when desire comes in, desire and arousal.

So our sensuality can be part of our sexuality, but it doesn't have to. You could have that beautiful shell that was just grazing on the body. There was nothing sexual about it. It was the sensual feeling of it trickling up your body and the sound in your ear, with the sun that was also on us, and just the being in connection at the same time.

There was this whole proprioception of like, is my body in space in relation to where Milena's body is in space and being in that presence, because to be in your body, to experience your senses, as Milena said, you need to be present with it all in that moment. And the beautiful thing about sensual expression is that that expression of yourself in that moment is going to be unique to that moment. How you experience your pleasure moment to moment will be different.

And you have to honour it. So maybe one day, like that day was great. We love that little shell, still love it right now. It's like making me feel juicy and all, but depending on where I was, if I was overwhelmed or if I was tired, if there was some other state I was in, maybe the way we were playing with the shell would be different. Maybe we would have done it in our legs. We were using it a lot on our upper body, but we were open to exploring and curious about how your body responds to the external world, or how your senses respond to it.

Meaghan (14:08): Right here, right now. And that is very Venusian, so Venusian.

Milena (14:12): That it's so beautiful because it's like, there's that and then there's the there's the other element that's happening in parallel, which is the softening, the softening that is required within the body, the surrender within the mind, the presence, calling all of your energy and your attention into the present moment.

And saying everything else that I may be thinking about that may come into my mind, I am going to, I will deal with that later. That is not part of this container that I'm creating right now. And that's ritual. That's really the ritual of giving yourself the space and the time to drop into your embodied experience and what is alive right now.

How is your sensual, sensory expression or experiencing of the world around you, how is that activating you? Is that giving you pleasure? Are you meeting resistance? And being able to soften into whatever is there. And like Meaghan said, depending on how your day went, depending on the energy that you're coming into this moment with, that's going to perhaps bring up resistance.

And it's going to invite you into deeper softening and surrender. And the reason we were even able to access this state in that moment, when we were in the ceremony, is that we were all in a process of softening and surrendering.

And the first part of that to even get to that place of understanding, like, ⁓ I get it. Like the sovnushen, I get what this energy is because I'm experiencing it through all these different musical tools and tactile things around me. Even just being connected to the earth, feeling the sun on your skin, the warmth, the warmth of that energy.

The grass, the grass around you, the crunchiness of the leaves. Like, there are all of these different elements, and it's such an innocent, it's such an innocent exploration of your sensuality. Like Meaghan said, there is no, when you're in this space of Venusian energy, there is no sexual energy that's coming in. Even if there is, it's a personal experience of that.

It's like you are being turned on by yourself. There's nothing else in how you are, how you are experiencing yourself and the world around you and your sensuality. So it's very interesting to really come at it from this place of innocence and play. And that's why the inner child archetype is so supportive.

Because it's so open and it's so curious, and there is no right or wrong way. It's exploration and then seeing in real time, ooh, ooh, I like this. I don't like this. Let me actually experiment with this tool instead. And I think that when you're able to meet the Venusian energy with openness and curiosity, this is where it can start to move through you.

And you can start to really experience it and see how that Venusian energy moves through you in this moment right now. Because again, how it moves through you right now is not going to be the same as it does. And it's also this practice: the more you allow yourself to come into this receptive space in your body, in your mind, in your life.

The more that you're able to access that, the more accessible that state and that frequency becomes, the more that you're able to notice that in your life and in the world around you and your relationships. And it's been very beautiful. And I think this just kind of weaves us in, bringing us into how this Venusian energy weaves into the Venusian womb.

And I do want to pass the baton off to you, Meaghan, if you have any thoughts that are coming up around that.

Meaghan (18:27): So this Venusian energy and how it relates to the Venusian womb, it is at the essence of me and Milena's friendship, our sisterhood, our relationship, our connection. We have connected through Venus. And what I mean by this is everything we have created, co-created from the beginning.

It really was this co-creation and connection. And it's been through landing in deep presence with each other, being fully witnessed in our sensuality and in what we are experiencing. Because of our sensuality, I think this is where I actually want to speak to some performance that some people might get caught in, performing their sensuality, performing what feels good for them. And then that's, you're missing the whole point.

The minute you start performing what looks good or what might feel good, or my sensuality needs to look sexy and sensual and fluid and smooth, no. Your sensuality might be screaming in the fucking forest. It might be raging. And yes, when Milena was talking about the crunk crumpling the leaves during that ceremony, I had a whole moment where I was in the leaves, like grasping them and crunching them and bringing them to my ears with rage and shaking.

So our sensuality and how this relates to the Venusian Womb is this doorway into the whole human experience of emotion and feelings, and then also bringing that into connection together. And then from there, we co-create the ma- that's where our magic happens. That's where everything we've birthed this podcast, our women's circles, our collective, it's birthed from this place of connection and co-creation through sensuality through being present together through our intention of being in the moment and acknowledging the beauty of everything around us, the beauty of the light, the beauty of the shadow and integrating that together. So it might be a little bit more abstract because then we have the womb to support the cycle of everything we're doing as we move through all of this. But the Venusian energy is our anchor point for bringing us deeply together.

And into the moment and into ourselves, really into our embodiment. So that's how I see it connects to Venusian Womb . Do you have something you want to add?

Milena (20:58): Yes, I do. And it's just so beautiful. I just can't even, it makes me smile so much, it's just connecting to this divine love. It's connecting to this divine mother love, of just unconditional love. And I don't mean unconditional love bypassing.

Milena (21:27): There is still very much acknowledgement of, you know, all parts of self, but it's an unconditional love of all parts are welcome here. All parts are allowed to have a seat. All parts can be loved and are worthy of love. And coming into this space within self and holding spaces where this is the foundation.

This is the container; all of you are welcome here. Even the parts of you that you feel are not even lovable, that's allowed, and that's loved. And it's this space of just loving awareness, of compassion, of meeting self and really integrating all parts of self, even the parts that feel very messy. And the parts that can be hurtful, the parts that can be chaotic when we allow them to lead.

And maybe there's also shame, like these parts have been hurtful to others. And there's guilt. And that's also, again, how can love penetrate even through that? Even through the guilt, even through what's already happened, the past, what's happened in the past, what actions have been done. Because that's when we can love even those most unlovable parts of ourselves, that's how we are actually truly integrating that and calling ourselves into our fullness, into our wholeness, into realizing that that is part of also being human. It's about bringing love to all parts of ourselves. And again, it doesn't mean that love justifies or bypasses or implies that that's okay.

There is also a confrontation of the self. And we sometimes think it has to be hard and painful. And it doesn't mean that it won't be because it's that, and it can be beautiful, and it can be expensive, and it can be opening. It can open your perception in a way that hardship, that discomfort, is confronting; that's the catalyst for that perspective to open.

For your mind to open, for your heart to open. And that's necessary. Like that's part of it, it gets to be beautiful and love-filled, too. And that's been a massive part of this Venusian energy: understanding that it's not just this love when you are in your light. It is this love, this beauty, this radiance.

And this pleasure also, because again, it's bringing you even deeper into your own expression. It's allowing you to grow. It can also be pleasurable. And it's just being able to really allow the and. It can feel uncomfortable, and there can be resistance, and it can feel confronting. And it can also be very beautiful, transformative, expansive, and softening.

So there is. It's very beautiful to really weave this energy into even the shadow, because it's so supportive in navigating it. And it's been really this foundation of love, of like unconditional love.

That is going to be there and hold you, even in your mess.

Even when you're in that rock bottom moment, that tower moment, where things are coming into your awareness in a new way. And that can be very confronting again. There may be someone in your life who is mirroring that for you, and it's confronting. And I found that bringing in this love, holding these spaces, and even creating everything we've created has come from this place of love and devotion.

To this frequency and this energy, and just the ways that it's been guiding us also in the creation process of the Venusian Womb.

Meaghan (25:58): And I'd love to add that even as we're dancing with the light and the shadow, as we're moving through both, when we can weave pleasure in to those shadowy spaces, it's revolutionary. It's like neurochemistry rewiring, because then you are literally diluting the shadow's shame and opening yourself up to more. And pleasure is your birthright.

Every single human person listening to this podcast gets to experience their own pleasure, their own way, because nobody else is in their body. We are the only person living in this tangible body that is moving around in this earthly world. And we are the only ones who are going to sense from it. So nobody else gets to experience your sensuality, your pleasure, the way you do. It would be silly.

To not fully experience it. And especially to weave it into the moments when you think you don't deserve it most, or you cut yourself off from it most. Really, it's allowing that pleasure to open you up more in those darker spaces; that's going to shift you out of them. And we have seen this time and time again when we sit with our shadow, when we sit in ritual and ceremony together, and the heaviness or the harder human emotions are present, we always find a way to weave pleasure in somehow. And honestly, I want to speak to tantrums right now, because tantrums are a great way. I've said it quite a few times in the first few episodes. Still, tantrums are also this other doorway into experiencing pleasure, because you're then meeting the shadow, you're meeting the emotion instead of, and we're not trying to say here, ⁓ I don't want to feel that, let's go to pleasure. Like this doesn't serve me, let's shift to this. No, no, no, that's absolutely not what we're saying.

Meaghan (27:54): Meet the emotion you're having, experience it fully, whatever that may look like. Whether that's throwing a book around, slamming onto a pillow, screaming, yelling, letting it come out, twerking, shaking your body so that you can move, and there's room for something more to come through. And then there is, I love how Miles said in our last episode, there's the calm after the chaos. It is inevitable.

It is going to happen. You just don't hold back. Don't resist. The more you resist, the more you restrain, the more you stop yourself from feeling, the more, again, I don't even know what to call them, heavy emotions, the more those ones, the more you're gonna stay there because you're not moving through it. You're not allowing the emotion, the energy to move. And we always have a good laugh after I throw a tantrum. I'm throwing tantrums all the freaking time.

And Milena just lovingly sits there and holds me in them. And then eventually I have a breakthrough, because you always break through the tantrum, and it's like, I feel so much better now. Now I could laugh. Now I could feel my bum on the chair again. I'm not just dissociated in my head. So allowing yourself to move through that is so Venusian. It's the beauty, the shadow, all of it integrated together, allowing yourself to have your human experience, to be human, to be messy, and then to

Pop out and like cycle with it, because then the womb comes in, right? Because we get to cycle through it all together.

Milena (29:32): And that's the thing, bringing beauty. Bringing pleasure, bringing presence, bringing embodiment to these spaces within self, whatever parts of self, whether it's the shadow, whether it's the light, whatever parts of you are coming through, being able to meet it with this in this Venusian way, it really expands your capacity. It expands your capacity to experience the heavier emotions.

In the moments when life tests you, because that's inevitable, we all, at some point, will go through some hardship in our lifetime. Unfortunately, there's no way to bypass it. And also, fortunately, because all of those are doorways for us to meet ourselves more deeply and explore how we are choosing to show up. Who are we? How are we choosing to be in this world?

In terms of our service, in terms of showing up for ourselves and for our loved ones. What's the frequency that we're putting out in the world? What are we creating? From what frequency are we creating? This is our thoughts, our projects, our actions, like anything. We are all creating in every moment. And so it's really beautiful. Think, yeah, as we're weaving this Venusian energy, it increases the capacity for fullness.

For the full spectrum, for the light, for the dark, for there to be both. To be able to experience the most beautiful, blissful moments to its fullness, to the fullest capacity that you can in that moment. To be able to meet the dark and to let yourself go there. To let yourself meet what's present fully in that moment. Because, like Meaghan said, when you let yourself fully go into it, you're letting it go. That's discharging it.

That also supports your mind not getting stuck in all these stories about what it means and what it's telling you, and in the narratives we build in the mind because we're human, which can keep us stuck. It can keep us stuck in this rumination and these emotions and the stagnancy of these emotions. And it's been.

I do feel very called to share that it's been very interesting. Think myself also navigating this in my own life experiences and initiations happening in real time is also being able to meet, being able to meet these darker parts of self and giving them full expression has been so helpful to actually relieve so much of that heaviness, to be able to let go of the stories, the stories of blame, the stories of

You did this to me, even if it's justified, even if, you know, it feels unjust, whatever is happening, and I don't want it, and it's not fair, and like all these things that our ego is not accepting. When we are actually able to just focus on the energy and moving the energy through, it does support for a lot of these thoughts and a lot of these attachments and a lot of these stories to also dissipate.

And that's why it's like, can't meet the mind with the mind. You're not gonna move through these mental stories in your mind. You gotta do it through your body. That's the access point. And that's also where the Venusian energy is so helpful. Like, how can I access my body from a doorway that's, it's more in its light. There's a bit more pleasure. Even if that pleasure is like, let me fully go into it. So.

Yeah, I mean, like this is in essence how we create the spaces that we co-create with everyone present, Meaghan and I. And it's really helpful, I find when you know, this isn't something that you've been practicing, perhaps this is a new way of being I know for us it has been this has been a completely new way of being and a new way of learning how to be human and that's also why we're here to guide.

Milena (33:45): To support you in accessing these doorways into yourself and into really feeling your embodied presence and what's here right now in this moment without needing to run away, without needing to shut it down, without needing to meet it with judgment, but to just meet it with love and presence and then having these tools and these resources to support you.

Meaghan (34:16): I invite everybody to take a deep breath. So for us, that is the essence of Venusian energy. And we are so excited to see how it's gonna keep unfolding for us and keep bringing us more deeply into our own embodiment, as it's a cycle. As we all know, we return to the same point we were originally at and go deeper and deeper every time. And the Venusian energy really holds it and holds us in it.

On that note, we would love to announce that the Venusian Womb website is officially launched and ready to run. Not only do we have our podcast episodes that come out every Friday, but we will also be releasing weekly blog posts . So if you don't get enough of us just listening to us, you can go and read some juicy things that are

In relevance to what we're posting on the podcast. Sometimes they may not be, but mostly will. So extra tools, extra resources.

We will see you tune in next week, or see us in the collective or see us online, but see us somewhere.

Episode Links

Calls to Reflection and Action:

Invite yourself to slow down and meet the present moment through your senses. Explore how sight, sound, touch, taste, and smell anchor you in your body. Let simple sensory rituals or tactile tools help you soften, breathe, and reconnect to your inner landscape.
Welcome resistance as a doorway rather than a barrier. Notice where you brace or feel “too muchness,” and instead of pushing it away, meet it with curiosity. Let softness, receptivity, and tenderness guide you into a more profound understanding of what that resistance is showing you.
Allow pleasure and emotional expression to coexist. Permit yourself to feel the full spectrum of your experience, including rage, grief, or overwhelm, while weaving in small touches of pleasure or presence. Let this blend open your capacity to process, release, and return to yourself with more wholeness.

Your Inner Child Knows the Way: Dancing with Creation and the Mystery

Fri, 17 Oct 2025 04:14:40 GMT

Episode Summary

In this luminous conversation, Venusian Womb co-hosts Milena and Meaghan welcome their first guest, Miles Krol , for a profound exploration of creation, polarity, and the mystery of co-creation with life.

The episode opens with reflections on the womb as an energetic portal—a space of gestation, transformation, and infinite potential. Miles describes the womb as both incubator and conduit , a bridge between the unseen and the seen, where creative energy is born through unity rather than separation.

Together, the hosts and their guest explore how yin and yang, masculine and feminine, exist within each of us as interdependent energies that weave the fabric of creation. The conversation flows into the inner child as the original dreamer—the pure, curious, and unguarded aspect of the self that knows how to imagine without limits. Miles describes the human journey as a return to the inner child “with adult eyes,” uniting innocence with wisdom to create from a place of wonder and maturity.

From there, they reflect on ego, surrender, and the creative process . Miles shares insights from his years as an entrepreneur, explaining how the need to control outcomes often blocks the natural flow of creation. True creativity, he says, comes from remembering that we are vessels of creation, not its owners. The group discusses how to befriend the ego, embrace tantrums and resistance as part of transformation, and dance between control and surrender with awareness and compassion.

Faith, the unknown, and the void are recurring themes. The trio explores the paradox of creation—the necessity of descent before expansion—and how trust is forged in moments of uncertainty. Miles speaks to faith as a living dance , tested most deeply in times of chaos, and reminds listeners that darkness is not absence but the birthplace of new light.

The episode closes with an invitation to dream beyond the limits of the mind and into the “dream field,” where creation becomes a shared act of divine imagination. Miles offers a moving reflection on living as a conduit for what life wants to express through us, and how returning to curiosity, faith, and unity consciousness opens the path for co-creation with the divine.

Key Takeaways

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Transcript

Milena (00:57): So, hello everyone, and welcome to the Venusian Womb podcast. We are so excited to have you join us for this conversation. As you can see, we have a special guest joining us today. It is not just Meaghan and me, and we are so excited to bring this guest onto our podcast to really start prompting some conversations about whatever is coming through in this moment.

And I really just want to open up the field for everyone that's tuning in with us to take a deep breath, to land in this moment.

As we really allow ourselves to drop in and explore these threads of consciousness around specifically, we're going to be talking a little bit about the womb. What is the womb journey, this gestation process in creation? Talking a little bit about creation energy and where the yin yang masculine feminine polarity dynamics, how they tie into that process internally as well as externally to manifest these creations. And really just leaving a little room for flow for whatever is meant to come through us as we're exploring consciousness. And so I think to start us off, we would love Miles to

Give yourself a moment to introduce yourself to our community into the space.

Miles (02:30): Firstly, thank you for that great introduction. I got so excited about the topics of discussion and what we're going to learn here. My whole body started vibrating. So that was pretty cool. ⁓ Yeah, thank you for having me. And like I said, before we jumped on the recording, I'm both ⁓ honored and humbled to be the first guest on this podcast to be able to co-create energetically whatever is meant to come through and I use the word co-create very intentionally in that the configuration of the people present really determines and dictates the energy signature that comes through. In other words, if it wasn't me here and someone else, or if it was just one of you instead of two of you, the energy would be completely different. So this is a moment locked in in time where we are collectively downloading and going to have a very unique experience, one of one. And so very excited to see what plays out.

Milena (03:29): Thank you so much. I think just like bouncing off of that something that Meaghan and I will often use as a metaphor, is connecting to the thread of consciousness. And it's so beautiful how when you're, when you're in a field with other people that are also open and receptive, and there's almost this attunement of, of consciousness and of energy that happens within the conversation that kind of allows everyone within that field to connect to that same thread of consciousness. And then from there, it's, you know, you're saying something that's activating something in me, something in Meaghan, and it just kind of creates this symbiosis.

Meaghan (04:05): Mm-hmm.

Milena (04:10): And amplifying of everything that's present in this moment and within our awareness of our lived experience to this point. And to allow you also to introduce the fact that you just got back from Peru. So we are so grateful to also receive you after such an initiation as well.

Miles (04:32): Hmm. Yes, definitely just got back from Peru. This is true. lot of people have been asking me, do you need time to integrate? Do you need time to integrate? I've had some time for sure. A lot of the integration happens at the subtle levels and the subconscious and unconscious levels. So I know that the energy is moving and grooving. I've had ample time from my perspective to settle back in. And I love what you shared about the thread. As you were saying that what I saw very clearly and vividly.

Meaghan (04:47): Mm-hmm.

Miles (05:01): Was how the three of us make a very unique sewing machine. And in this moment, we're going to be weaving this thread on this tapestry, in this podcast, in a way that will be extremely unique. And everybody who tunes in to listen to this, whether they listen to part of it or the whole podcast, is going to experience the experience they're meant to experience with what comes through, through all of us, as we're going to record this.

Meaghan (05:25): Mm-hmm. And as you were both speaking, I just felt this like openness, this my body opening to the co-creation to the ooh, what are we going to what are we going to speak about? What are we going to co-create? And I do want to start us off with the question, Miles and ask you, if we were to ask you what does the womb mean when we say the word womb? What does this bring up for you personally?

Miles (05:49): Great question. What does the womb bring up for me in this moment in time today? ⁓ I see the womb as both an incubation chamber and a portal. A two-pronged energetic container. And when I think about gestation, I think about creation and really it being a conduit of creative energy entering from the realms of the unseen into the realm of the seen.

That's what comes up for me now in this moment.

Meaghan (06:23): I love how you said that too, in this moment right now. Like already there's this one piece that I was stuck on, I'm like that feels so right, because we're ever changing and new perceptions are always coming in and there's new parts of ourselves we're discovering. So I'm going to be taking that I'll give you creds on it. But I really love the way you positioned yourself and this is what's coming through for me in this moment in time. So yeah, thank you for sharing from there that space.

Miles (06:39): Yeah, thank you for that reflection.

Milena (06:50): I did also want to say there was something that you had mentioned in a previous conversation we had where you referred to the womb and this yin energy, feminine energy, which we will also go expand a little bit more on, but you explained it as an incubator. And I feel like there's this perception that, you know, has been spoken about a lot of the masculine, this yang being the container, and then the yin, feminine energy, being the actual creation.

And the perspective you shared was also seeing holding this yin energy as well as a container in its own right. And I'm so curious to dive a little bit deeper into that and exactly how does the feminine container, this incubator, how does that look like? And maybe how does that contrast more of that yang container that we are also setting up within the creative process?

Miles (07:51): That's definitely a powerful question. ⁓ What comes up for me in the moment is that in our society, we tend to very quickly separate things and label things to be able to grasp some type of understanding with our external environment to know how to be or not be how to interact or not interact. So, for example, when it comes to branching things into masculine and feminine, yin and yang,

One of the things that I feel that we miss and a really beautiful thing that we miss is that everything has two sides to it. And what I mean by that, and this is something I haven't really seen much talked about, even the feminine has a masculine and a feminine side. And even the masculine has a feminine and a masculine side. Everything breaks down like a dichotomy. So this can boggle the mind a little bit when we try to label something as one thing.

But when we flip the coin, we see there's always two sides to a coin in the realm of duality. And this is where the womb in particular is very unique. It's like the Swiss army knife of creation and incubation. It's a multifaceted and multi-dimensional energy. It's really an energy. Sure. It's expressed in the physical realm as a literal container of gestation for creation, but fundamentally it's a

Meaghan (08:52): Yeah.

Miles (09:17): For me, it represents an energy of unity, which is very unique in a realm of duality as well.

Meaghan (09:24): We lost Miles. There we go. Excellent. Welcome back.

Miles (09:29): No idea what happened. It's like you've been kicked out. But clearly this was destiny. Why? I have no idea.

Meaghan (09:36): Haha

Milena (09:38): I love that. mean, like, this is also we're just gonna we're just gonna keep go on to our next our next direction of this conversation. It cut there for a reason. So we're just gonna flow with it.

Miles (09:51): The energy

Meaghan (09:51): And it's still recording, right? Yeah, we're good.

Miles (09:53): Was too high. We were tapping into something that was beyond comprehension. And the internet gods were like, no bueno, we have to cut this. This is too powerful.

Milena (09:59): They're just like, kick him out.

Meaghan (10:02): Take them away!

Milena (10:03): No bueno. This is way too much sovereignty in one conversation kick out.

Miles (10:09): This is the only logical explanation.

Meaghan (10:13): Mm-hmm.

Milena (10:14): I agree. Oh, we're glad you're back. And I mean, if that ever if that does happen again, just we'll wait for you a log back in. I mean,

Meaghan (10:16): Mmm.

Miles (10:20): Good to be back.

Milena (10:27): Seems like everyone's connection is good, ⁓ my God. Jesus.

Meaghan (10:29): I think we're good.

Miles (10:32): Yeah. The forces are strong.

Meaghan (10:36): Interference!

Miles (10:36): The forces are strong.

Meaghan (10:38): Interference! ⁓ inner child popped down. Interesting.

Milena (10:39): My inner child. My inner child just fell. Also look at how cute she is guys.

Miles (10:44): All right, it's time to go into the inner child.

Meaghan (10:47): Right? You know what, actually?

Milena (10:48): Talking about creation energy.

Meaghan (10:53): Would love to loop us back. We have some other questions, but we're back in the podcast. We got a little bit interrupted and now we're back. And as we were speaking, Milena's inner child just popped off her where she is. And Miles brought up a great point. We have actually personally been really struggling to record our inner child episode. So I think this is an invitation to bring you, Miles, into speaking. Yes, because this is very related to the womb.

To creating, to dreaming. And a big part that we've been noticing when it comes to dreaming and being with your room energy and your creation energy is the resistance that comes up. The resistance that comes up to dreaming and the things that people say, ooh, get your head out of the clouds, keep your feet on the ground.

That's delusional, that's not realistic. And the inner child kind of feeling like, but, I'm just innocently playing here and I just want to, want my dreams to come true and why is that too big? Why is that too much? And that's been a huge theme that we've been exploring and that's been surfacing in our shadows as we've been moving through our womb, getting to be acquainted with our womb space. So I'm curious to know Miles, what's from just what was said, I just said right now, and now that the inner child has just popped into literally quite literally popped into this discussion, what does the inner child?

For you, what is the inner child for you and how does this relate to anything that we've been talking about?

Miles (12:23): Well, the first thing that I want to share immediately that popped in right away is that we all come into this realm as geniuses and life intelligently for reasons known and unknown D geniuses us. And in doing so, we create a journey back to our inner child with adult eyes. And I really do believe that that is by design. To be able to cultivate one, a prefrontal cortex later on in life, and two, enough life experiences to make certain distinctions about how things are and how things are not in this realm, to then take those tools of adulthood and be equipped to bring them back to childhood to reconfigure and transmute the energy to blend the past of the inner child with the present moment of the adult.

To create the ultimate energy of creation, a revisiting of the inner child in later years, more refined.

Milena (13:33): Yes. Yes, what was coming through in that is just that we, as we mature, and as we go through life experience and evolve and develop ourselves within adulthood, although I still feel like a child, to be honest, there's so much more wisdom.

Meaghan (13:33): I like that. Feels like the spiral.

Miles (13:37): Mmm.

Milena (13:56): There's so much more awareness and perspective that we have of the world that we're living in. And it's like, when I do connect to my inner child from that time, like going back in time to little Milena, I did not understand truly at that time, what is the world that I was born into? And there wasn't that perception of, you know, what are the things that... I see in the world that I would like to actually change and bring change to. And it's kind of like the Mahatma Gandhi quote of, be the change that you wish to see in the world. And like you said, when we have the perspective and experience and exposure of adulthood, and we're able to reconnect to the wonder and innocence and the imagination and creativity of the inner child, we're able to nurture the creation with this refined perspective and vessel that we have as adults.

And it's just, it's very interesting, think, even meeting resistance in people when having these kinds of conversations, when dreaming or creating, especially when it's not giving you that... almost like that return, like you're not really getting that validation, things may not be manifesting yet, you're still very much in the creative process. And I think that's where a lot of people end up giving up. And so I do wonder if there's anything that you feel, you know, when you're really in the creative process, you're in it, you're giving it your energy, you're not really getting this energy manifested back in this three-dimensional physical realm. What would you tell your inner child in that moment?

Miles (15:38): It's a very interesting question. The first thing that came up for me beyond what I would tell my inner child is that one of the challenges we face as human beings with the creative process is that, paradoxically, we attach to expectations and the creative force that we summon as vessels goes far beyond any expectations or attachments that we could attempt to create or hold.

And it's in trying to own the energy of creation that we really stifle self and impose all these roadblocks on self because the truth is, and the fact of the matter is that we are not creating. We are the conduits of creation. We are the vessels that channel this energy from the realms of the unseen to the seen. But when we try to own that, that's a contraction. Ownership is a contraction. And this is where all of our problems stem from. So what I would say to my inner child. Is that welcome to being a human being, welcome to the creative process, and it's sticky, it's icky, it definitely will not go according to your plan, and this is where the expression comes from, man plans or woman plans, and God laughs.

Milena (16:57): Like, ⁓ my god.

Meaghan (16:59): Leggo and leggo!

Miles (17:00): Mm-hmm.

Meaghan (17:02): I love that because I also as you were saying that I was getting this vision of mirroring like parents that have their children and then try to mold them into little thems or mold them into what they expect them to be. And whatever you're birthing into this world, you kind of you it was part of your career. You let it into the world, you birthed it into the world and then you let it go. And then you don't have any attachments to that. And then you just support it and nourish it in whatever ways it's meant to unfold without trying to well, no, don't go that way. Let's go this way.

Dragging it in a whole other direction. So thank you. That was illuminating and I had a very somatic impression of it. was like, It felt very opening.

Miles (17:44): Hmm and something I would love to add to what you just said. I don't know if you guys are familiar with dr. Shefali She talks about conscious parenting and although I don't have children I remember watching a podcast many moons ago probably ten years ago and she said something that stuck with me forever and it ties into Creative energy in the creative process, which is your children come through you, but they're not yours We are the custodians of consciousness.

We are the vessels that essentially harbour this energy to be able to nurture it, but you cannot tame a free spirit. You can attempt to, and a lot of people, as you alluded to earlier with parents, trying to parent their children and mold them to match their expectations. In attempting to do so, you always find that there's some type of rebellion woven into there because you cannot control that which cannot be controlled.

Meaghan (18:40): Yeah. You said that I had two response one that was like, ooh, yes, and then my ego was that, but it's mine. The mind came in so strong, I felt it literally come through my heart and my throat. And I was like, no, Miles, that would be my child. I felt that. But I really I yeah.

Milena (18:56): Yeah. I also just, this whole idea of you are not the creator, you are the vessel for creation. This is a huge golden nugget and I almost want to highlight it because of the fact that it's our ego that wants to claim something is our own. And in that attachment to what it is that we're creating. This is where we're projecting all of these expectations. This is where a lot of the stories that create these emotions come up because we're attaching stories and projections to what we're creating. And this is also where there's also that control, like that desire to control how the creation is coming through. And like you said, this is really just causing our own contraction. causes that feeling that it can create feelings of disappointment of perceived failure. These are all parts of the creative process that we've spoken to as we've been in it. And it's very interesting, I think, especially when you're creating something that comes from this place of soul beyond yourself.

Beyond your own mind of this is mine. It's this is something greater than me that's expressing through me. And when you're creating from that place of soul, you're gonna have to befriend your ego because it's gonna be part of that process also. We cannot bypass it. And this is where I'm curious. I'm curious to see how can we in this process of creation, how can we begin to befriend our ego?

Especially when it's tantruming in these moments of, don't have control. It's how can we actually soften and become aware of it and allow it to be part of the creative process in a way where it's not interfering. And I'm very curious if there's anything that's coming through for any of you too.

I love Miles laughing over there already.

Meaghan (21:02): Listen, I'm already tantruming that my children can't be mine.

Miles (21:07): Well the good news...

Milena (21:07): I'm tantrumming that my business is not my baby.

Miles (21:12): The news about a tantrum is that after a tantrum, the calm comes. So no matter which way you slice and dice it, the good news is there's no such thing as an infinite tantrum. You eventually hit a threshold and you will find a calmness within the storm. So it's built in by design. That is you move through the energy of tantrum, you will find calmness. So that's good. ⁓ That's the first thing that pops up for me. The second thing, what you said about befriending the ego in the creative process. Wow. That is...

What comes up for me is that it's something that is done with great difficulty. In other words, I don't feel intuitively there is a hack to transcend the ego. However, an expression I love to use to describe a healthy relationship with the ego is what I call dancing with the devil, where you are moving symbiotically with the energy of your ego to allow for the creation process to take place. And what this means is no matter which way you slice and dice it, your ego is going to claim some type of ownership of your creation. Why? Because you're a human being. You're a being of two sides of the coin. It's impossible and inevitable. The key is not to fully identify with that. So to go back to one of your points you brought up earlier, we are both conduits and creators. If we identify exclusively with one,

Meaghan (22:20): Mm-hmm.

Miles (22:36): And we don't see both sides of the coin simultaneously, the polarity becomes imbalanced. So either I am the pure creator, look at me at what I'm doing, or I'm the pure vessel and I'm totally detached from this realm and things are flowing through me and I don't take any responsibility for my creations. So it's really a dance, an oscillatory dance between the two states of existence. And we will be met with resistance on both ends of the spectrum and a whole host of positive and negative emotions will pop up inevitably as we move through that space.

Meaghan (23:08): Thank you. Mm-hmm.

Milena (23:17): Balance. It is a beautiful balance between, like you said, creator, vessel for creation, the innate attachment that we have as humans because we care. Because we care. And it's and I think it's so beautiful to be human and to care so deeply for what is your soul expression and the ways that it's manifesting in the world.

Meaghan (23:18): Mm-hmm.

Milena (23:41): And then also being able to equally let go and let God or goddess and goddess to be part of it. And so it's a beautiful balance of both. And as I am continuing to be in this creative process, I'm realizing that it's always going to be a balance. It's always going to be this balancing of both polarities. And there's not one that's ever going to be more present than the other. They really both truly are.

And it's just, guess, holding more capacity, holding more capacity to be aware of both and to also choose which one is leading.

Meaghan (24:19): Mm-hmm.

Miles (24:19): Hmm. For sure. I think that what you highlighted there, what stood out for me is the importance of awareness as we're going through the process, because both sides of the coin are going to be present and it is very challenging to navigate those waters, but it is a teeter totter. Life is this teeter totter of attempting to balance and find harmony between the two polarities.

But it's interesting because human beings always gravitate towards some type of homeostatic point where there is pure and utter stability and certainty, but the fabric of reality is uncertainty. So when we crave certainty in a realm that's rooted in uncertainty, because most things are not known, then we have this inner tug of war where we're particularly hard on ourselves because we're trying to predict outcomes and figure things out.

Meaghan (24:59): So it's nice to be here.

Miles (25:15): And I really believe life is not meant to be figured out. That's a little bit of a trap. We think it can be figured out. Our ego thinks it can be figured out. So we go on this incredible journey of trying to figure it out. But at every door, we're like, oh, this is it. open the door and we open the door to another door and then another door. And it's this never ending maze where we cannot figure anything out. We think we understand one law of the universe. And the next thing you know, there's a new law. And it's not that the other law was wrong. It's just.

Meaghan (25:21): Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Miles (25:43): Russian dolls all the way down to the quantum and Russian dolls all the way up to the highest level of macro. And it just keeps going infinitely. The ever present and infinite mystery, both macrally and microly.

Meaghan (25:48): The way up to the cosmos. Mm. I love how you speak with visuals. It makes what you say so tangible that I could literally see as you're speaking what you're saying. Thank you. And for all the listeners that are listening, they're also very visual. It's so helpful. And it's interesting because as we've been talking about this polarity,

Yeah, what came up for me before, I'm kind of backtracking a bit. I don't remember what you said, Miles, but I know that when I started my awakening, I guess we could say, or coming into all of the spirituality, I was very clinging to like manifesting, willing what I wanted forth into the reality, trying to control it all. And, and kind of thinking like,

Milena (26:44): Same. You'll see us charge.

Miles (26:48): Me too.

Meaghan (26:49): I am God? Like I can control my reality. I just need to use my tarot cards and my crystals and meditate with the moon and all of those things. And who was that? A bit much? And then learning in the past year or two that there is this divine intelligence, which I do now claim to be God, which was very, very hard for me to do. I'm even getting red saying it out loud. Look at that and allowing it to be a dance, a dance with God, but also a dance with the devil because there's two half the polarity is always happening. And that is such a hard task. No, I don't want to say hard because I'm trying to like surrender this that things have to be hard. They don't have to be hard. They just are. And yeah, this polarity is so important to be talked about and that you to surrender to that co creation to surrender to not controlling every step of the way.

Miles (27:49): Mmm.

Meaghan (27:51): Yeah.

Miles (27:53): It's not an easy thing to process because it's essentially it's a paradox. We are doing and being done simultaneously. And the only difference between the two states is our perspective. We've all had to some degree an out of body experience. I know I have when I'm speaking where I clearly know that the words that are coming through me are not mine and I'm outside of my body and my lips are moving. And that's actually what's happening right now. And I'm wildly entertained by myself and by you guys, because I have no idea what's going to come through. So I'm able to witness myself as the conduit, but at the same time, we have to take responsibility for what comes through us. And yes, we are bridges between worlds, the world of the unseen and the world of the seen. And we get to have the amazing experience of being a creator and also being created simultaneously. This is the true magic.

Meaghan (28:35): Mm-hmm. Yeah. Wow, yeah.

Miles (28:50): Of this realm rooted in unity consciousness, and we miss it. We miss this magical experience of realizing we're oscillating between these two states of existence. And the only word I have to describe it again is pure magic.

Milena (29:06): So I do want to just highlight the fact that for us to really truly step into this space of creator, and I'm talking creator from soul, creator that comes from something that is greater than yourself. And what I found in my creative process with Meaghan and Venetian womb is that when we started this, we really connected on such a soul level that everything that came through us in the times that we were connecting and co-creating was not even coming from our mind. And we were also just, we'd go into ritual and then we'd sit down and start writing on a Google document and just like typing and being like, how do I even know this? Like, I don't even, I haven't even tapped into this archetype. Like I haven't even logically thought about this. We were just embodying it.

And having that kind of out of body experience is what you're talking about. And I feel like that was really one of those first times for me of really viscerally being so aware of it as it was happening. And I think for a lot of people, it could also be this flow state is what we talk about, you know, where we're just like, not even in our head, we're really just in the moment and what's being expressed. And I think for maybe some people that may have not yet experienced that or been aware that they're experiencing that process. Just speaking to the filters, like speaking to the filters of the mind and what is some resistance that comes up. And I find that I can also speak for Meaghan in this because we've integrated so much of this creative process is the perfectionist, the inner critic.

The parts of you that are like, just any of these shadowy parts of who do you think you are? Imposter syndrome. Yes. The imposter of... And I think that's a big one. That's a huge one, especially when we're talking about consciousness, especially when we're talking about the intangible realms, the great mystery of life, right? There is no certification for this. This is something that we learn as humans through experiencing...

Meaghan (30:57): The imposter.

Milena (31:20): Our humanity and also the divinity within our humanity. And so it's really something that we learn through life experience. And I'm very curious, ⁓ Miles, if any of these layers had come up for you in your journey of stepping into this soul expression and really just getting out of the way and allowing what is to be.

How has it been moving through those layers of self and really breaking these illusions that keep us in resistance and they keep us contracted from allowing this expression to even pour through?

Miles (31:55): Well, what's beautiful about your question is it brings up memories right away when I was in my entrepreneur days and I didn't formally give an introduction, but I'll give a brief kind of one-on-one right now to give people more context. So I built a private fitness studio in Montreal, Quebec, Canada between the years of 2012 and 2023. And it started just myself. I built it up to a pretty big business with a lot of people working for me.

And what I didn't know at the time was that that business was my womb, my incubation chamber of discovering all of these aspects of self, both the quote unquote good and the quote unquote bad and discovering who I thought I was in the presence of who I really am. And to be able to move through all the emotions, the highs and the lows, the perceived positive, the perceived negative of that whole soup of chaos in trying to birth something into this world with the predominant energy of what do I want? What do I want to create? And from that I-ness and from that egoness of trying to create something, life just humbled me over and over again to the highest degree.

Life literally had to beat me into a bloody pulp for me to quasi-wake up to what was really going on beneath my consciousness in both the subconscious and the deep unconscious. So waking up is hard to do, and it is a very arduous and heavy journey to be able to move through that energy. I'm glad it's done. I really feel like I paid my dues. That was a very long period in my life. And although there was success in what I did, the journey was, there's no other way to describe it other than chaos.

Milena (33:57): We're familiar with that.

Meaghan (33:59): I have memories popping up. I'm like,

Milena (34:04): Mm hmm. And it always comes it always comes in those moments of eyeness. This is mine. This is how I want it to look like this is what I want to create. And it's been again, it's humbling. That's exactly what it is. And there's no other word that I would say of realizing that. Yes, I am. I am consciously able to have autonomy in this present moment right now of this space-time continuum, but anything outside of this present moment, I have no control over. And also that there is no absolute safety. It's so interesting because I mean, in this work with, you know, regulating the nervous system, which I mean, Meaghan and I, we've been shifting nervous system regulation to nervous system attunement.

Because regulating means that you have to fix something. it's really just kind of this like, it's this changing, it's this shifting of state. It's not a fixing, it's almost just like a softening and opening. And I think just like in this process of expanding our capacity, a huge part of that expansion has been learning to surrender, learning to let go, learning to... learning non-attachment is a big one and it's a very humbling one. And I feel like this is just part of the creative process truly. And I think when you're in it, this is where you can really start to let those experiences shape you. Because like you said, right, they're all, all of these experiences are here. We're experiencing everything that we are exposed to in our life is to bring us into that path of alignment of this is

This is shifting you to become that iteration of yourself and to have that capacity in your mind and your nervous system to be able to hold what it is that is being asked of you. And it's so humbling to remove the eye and just, I am just allowing what is, whatever the is is and accepting the mystery of life and really truly letting yourself free fall into the unknown. And that's been a huge part of the womb journey for us is recognizing that the womb is so representative of the fullness, the infinite, the potential of everything that is and can be.

And recognizing that it is only when you allow yourself to be in the darkness of the womb, that fullness, this is where we can actually claim and connect to and align with what it is that we're creating and what's our next version forward. But you have to go into the darkness and into the unknown to connect to that timeline. And so this is a huge process. This is process of surrender, this process of becoming more comfortable within the unknown and recognizing that we cannot bypass it. It's impossible to bypass.

And it's going to bring up feelings of discomfort because we are human and this is learning a new way of being. And so I'm really curious if there's anything that comes up for either one of you about just this new way of being truly, because the person that I've had to become in this process, it's been an unlearning, relearning, unlearning, relearning to even get to this point, to bring this creation forward.

Meaghan (37:24): I feel like that really speaks to something Miles had just said before that within creation, there's also like this you're being recreated at the same time. Like there's there's something being translated and brought through you. But through that creation, there's also new versions of your civil either you're meeting resistance or your ego is trying to attach to something. And there's needing to let go or needing to re center into Okay, who do I have to become in order to allow this creation to

I mean, this is not exactly what you said, Miles. This is picking off of something you said before and now I'm making saying something different. I don't want to say that I'm putting words in your mouth, but you are being created into a different version of yourself to be able to allow the creation to come through you. And I think that's just the process of creation and unfolding and being human at the same time. So I don't know if that answers your question, Milena, but that's really what was coming through strong that I don't think there's no end point.

Especially, if we're coming back to like the womb is the fullness, but it's also where everything goes to die. So it's this continuous cycle of, I'm born, I'm death, I rebirth, I born, I die, I reborn and continuously learning new parts of yourself, remembering new parts. And I think that's also so beautiful that there is no end point and that there's always opportunity to, I don't want to say go deeper, but go deeper.

Milena (38:34): Learning and learning, yeah.

Miles (38:50): Hmm guys said so many beautiful things there ⁓ Yeah, lots of wisdom that was just shared there for those who have the ears to really hear what was said ⁓ Yeah, I what comes up for me, two things. What you said, ⁓ Milena, about the darkness and the darkness and dampness of the womb and where creation takes place. I think that's very important to highlight, particularly because everything that has yet to be created comes from the darkness, comes from the void. And we bring our light to illuminate possibilities that are expressed in a realm of probabilities to bring something from a state of frequency and vibration into a more coherent and crystallized state where we get to experience it in three dimensions. And in that darkness, that unknown is actually unlimited possibility. So the connotation usually attached to darkness is something that's scary or because it's uncertain, it's dangerous.

But from another angle, all possibility ⁓ is not known and it's within this void, within this darkness. And that is where the creation energy resides. And then we have to go into the valley of death with courage to be able to discover what it is that's waiting there for our soul, for our path, for our destiny. Because no two people are the same. No two people are on the same path.

Everybody has their own trajectory through the valley of death to discover the light that they are and that they need to bring to whatever it is they're meant to create and to be the conduit of.

Milena (40:47): It's so beautiful because I feel like what's the ways that this has been coming through for me personally is almost mothering my ego through my soul. It's really like because the ego knows the ego knows that it's eternal. It knows that it's infinite. It knows that it's so incredibly wise.

And it's just remembering. Like there is a soul remembering that we are experiencing in this process of being human. And you know, our ego, we're born in this world, we have a blank slate.

So our ego is like completely factory reset when we're born in this world. And so the ego doesn't have this awareness. The ego is really just trying to survive. There is a self preservation in that process. And so when you are in the void, and when we're talking about the void, it's even this transitional liminal state in life, you know, where you're just kind of like, I don't really know what's next.

Meaghan (41:34): Survive.

Milena (41:48): And experiencing some type of closure or ending or redirection. And it's the ego really that is the part of us that's freaking out, that's feeling the fear, that's feeling that survival, like it's gonna die. Like literally I've had moments of viscerally feeling like my survival is at risk. And this is kind of where... it's been this soul nurturance of just holding my ego and holding that fear and being able to speak words of affirmation and just this is where there is that relearning of like teaching my ego that this is part of how we get to that next beautiful place that we want to be that we desire because the ego is also what holds our personal desires, right?

So it is almost being able to develop a relationship with our ego from this place of soul that has this greater knowing. And what's been the most supportive I find in this process of creation and in stepping into the womb, connecting to the unknown, accepting the great mystery of life and that it will truly be a great mystery, regardless of how aware we may think we are, how much we may try to understand it or predict it. It's a mystery. And a big part of that, that light that's been so supportive for the ego is having faith.

And faith is something that has been coming through so strongly, is in recognizing that when you truly are stepping outside of, let's say, this matrix, this predictable way of being in the world and living in systems that are orchestrated to seemingly be predictable, right? Oftentimes, this is my own conditioning of if I get the nine to five, then I'll have the stability, then I'll be able to have the resources for all the things I want. To do and then realizing that's actually not my path, stepping into this world of entrepreneurship and realizing that everything is a risk. But then at the same time, recognizing that yes, everything in this path of entrepreneurship and creating trailblazing your own way, it is a risk, but also what seemed to be more safe or predictable is also just as risky.

So there is equal risk in both options. Although one has the illusion of seeming more predictable and seeming safer, everything in life is a risk. And I feel like that was a huge illusion that had to break to really be able to embrace the risk and have faith through it. And also trusting, there's a lot of self-trust that's built in this process of I'm going to continue taking steps forward even though I don't actually know where it's going to take me.

And it's going to require certain evolution and shifts in me and trusting that you're going to be able to step into that level of embodiment. And it's just, it's just kind of like this, this relearning of this new way of being and becoming familiar with the unknown, nurturing the ego through our soul and this greater awareness of this is all for something greater and having faith. And I'm so curious.

Miles, in your experience how your relationship with faith has looked like in this creative process and really allowing yourself to be in the void to step in the unknown of what's being called of you in this moment, especially having taken a complete shift from what you were doing in your past life and where you are right now and what you're creating in the world in this moment.

Miles (45:25): Well, what comes up for me when you ask the question, I remember a specific time in my business where there was a series of challenging events, one after the other. The bulldozer of the universe showed up aggressively and presently to clear the path. And I was operating before that with the belief that life happens for me. This beautiful, positive perspective. And then this showed up.

And there were so many things that happened that were not aligned with my preferences and desires. I had to daily convince myself that I wasn't a victim. I had to write on my dry erase board in my office. Life happens for me, not to me. And literally look at this every single day because my faith in my belief system about the construct of the universe was being tested. Now, unbeknownst to me at the time, I had to go on a journey of believing that life happened for me to then questioning does life really happen for me going into the victim energy to then reclaim later on a deeper conviction and faith that life happens not just for me but also through me as a vessel and a conduit.

So an important lesson I learned there is that faith is a dance and to cultivate more faith and conviction requires actually entering into the victim energy, descending into the catacombs and going through that and coming out with new awareness that going into the catacombs is just par for the course, that the dissension is necessary for the ascension and that we recycle constantly the energy behind our faith and conviction to really test it and to be able to cultivate it more deeply. So, by definition, faith is not something that's certain. It's a dance. It's a dance of believing that there's more than meets the eye in the future and clinging to that in some way, shape or form. And then trying to hold on to that. I'm almost seeing the visual of like a tornado, like wizard of Oz, like just coming through and holding on. And this is the only time when you really test your face. It's nice when you're on the beach sipping mojitos and you're like, I have a lot of faith.

Milena (47:40): Yes. Mm-hmm.

Miles (47:49): In reality, but it's when the storms of life come where you're really tested how real is your faith and how deep is your conviction.

Milena (47:58): Grace, grace, thank you for bringing in that perspective of it is a continuous coming back down into victimhood, meeting that part of self because that part of self is also your ego that's upset, there's like a non acceptance towards the outcome that is unfolded. And then also within that darkness and in exploring that victimhood, then refining even deeper. Your conviction in faith. And that is just the grace that is absolutely fundamental to the process of being human, while also allowing the divine to co-create with you.

Meaghan (48:43): There's also so much liberation that comes through in that process of the dissension into the catacombs to really test the faith, then to rise back up with like stronger conviction and sovereignty. And then there's almost like there's a part of me that obviously wouldn't want to do it again, but it's also like, okay, test me again. Let's see how deeper we can go in this conviction. Like what more, what other layers are here?

So yeah, I'm really, there's a big theme of like, there's this dance with life that's continuously happening in so many different ways. And you just got to flow with it. And like, where I've like, let the dance or the, let life be the leader and just follow, which I'm not good at, but. Or I'm working at being better.

Miles (49:24): Hmm. Yes.

Milena (49:25): Mm-hmm.

Miles (49:27): Yes, what you just said there about following that is very powerful. That is very powerful because there's not just a dance that's taking place. There is equally music that's in the background and there's the subtle music and then there's the music that we hear and there's these two dances that are going on simultaneously. And if we can tap in and tune into this music, we can start to move more harmoniously with the music of life. And the interesting thing about music, this is what's coming through for me right now. Somebody turns on some great music right now, your body starts to move and starts to dance without you even thinking. Is that you who's dancing or is the music making you move or is it both? And.

Meaghan (50:08): Mm-hmm. Mmm. Noooo

Miles (50:18): We all are dancing and being danced ⁓ always comes back to those those two sides of the coin. But what you said, Melena, about the victimhood, I think this energy is really important to highlight because the victim energy is a necessary part of the creative process. It's the permission for your ego to be upset that things aren't going its way or your way. And that's part of creation.

Meaghan (50:18): I like that. Yeah.

Miles (50:46): That things aren't going to fully align with your expectations, preferences, and desires. That's one of the paints that you have to paint with no matter which way you slice and dice it when you start trying to put the brush to the canvas.

Milena (51:00): There's no bypassing that process.

Meaghan (51:02): And it gives so much permission for tantrums. I love my tantrums. And I love now that I know like, there's like the, it's gonna be peaceful after which is why I do it so much. I didn't have the reasoning why I would tantrum so much but that makes so much sense because I know the peace will come. Just gotta let it out.

Miles (51:07): Absolutely. Tantrums. You know, when you said that just now, what I saw very clearly is the creative force moving through you so strongly that it is stirring up those aspects of self that don't align with the byproducts of the initial phase of the creation, because it's a trajectory and shaking yourself to a point where that energy is moving through you to get you to the other side where you need to be to fulfill the creative process. So you get stirred up. Thankfully that energy comes through to activate these parts of you that wouldn't otherwise be activated without that force moving through your body.

Meaghan (51:54): To be. I love when life shakes me up. It's a great feeling.

Milena (52:02): So I do have a question. Just continuing on with this metaphor of the dance, the dance with life, right? And there's this music, there's a subtle music and it's almost learning as individuals, we're learning how to flow, how to follow life and where it's guiding us. And then also within this dance, there is this subtle music. And this is also like the subtlety of our intuition and where that intuition, where that melody is leading us. And so,

Miles, very curious to hear a bit more about how you listen. How do you listen to the subtle music and where that's guiding you to? I would assume this would be through intuition, through endergnosis. How does that come through for you?

Miles (52:49): It's a great question. Well, the first thing I feel compelled to say is that at one time I was oblivious and numb to any music that was transpiring around me and in my presence, which led to a series of challenging events, which led to a quasi awakening, looking for order within chaos. And it was only at the juncture of attempting to find order within chaos that I began to start.

To hear some of the music. And so that was really a blessing. I really learned that going through chaos is necessary to shake oneself out of a hypnotic stupor to be able to become aware beyond the previous constraints to see what's really going on in the room. And in this vein, with the music that's always there, always playing, doesn't mean if we're not tapped into it that it's not there, but waking up into that.

So I went through that phase. Then once I started to hear the music, I went through this other phase, which I don't really hear getting talked about, but I feel it's so important to share, which is hearing the music and ignoring the music. This is such an important part of learning to dance with the music. It's like you hear the tango or the cha-cha and you're stepping on your partner's feet. Okay. This is part of the learning process where you're like, there's consequences when I don't pay attention to this music. The dance gets all messed up.

And people get hurt and things happen and you know, have to go through ⁓ cause and effect if this, then this. Okay, I didn't listen to the music. This happened. Then eventually that happens enough times in my case, probably a couple hundred of ignoring this music that eventually when you bang your head on the wall enough, ⁓ you take yourself out of that hypnosis and then you really wake up when your head is swollen and you're like, okay, I'm going to give a shot to following this music, AKA the inner guidance and the inner wisdom. And since that moment, there has been no going back for me. I live my life these days predominantly from the inner music. I'm going to use the Pareto principle percentage 80-20. I really, 80 % of my life try to live from that music, but it took me my whole life to get to a point where I could actually hear it, trust it, trust myself in the presence of it. And be able to follow it, to use that word follow from before, to see where it takes me, irrespective of what I want, and really hold the space and the energy for what creation wants with me.

Meaghan (55:35): Wow. Yeah, I feel like that was really beautiful.

Milena (55:40): Yeah, and that's exactly it. That's that's that's the whole part of being human. Really, this is a new way of being this is a new way of being where we're living not in a construct of reality that is predictable. And we're allowing to really live in the mystery. And within that, there's a lot of expansion of capacity of the nervous system to be able to hold this risk, this perceived risk, all of the unknown variables that are ultimately not within our control if they're outside of this present moment. And there is a lot of trust that's built in that trusting in the ways that, you know, that music is being translated in your mind of, this is actually what it's saying.

And also trusting yourself to listen and to take steps forward, even when your ego is like, I don't want to take a step forward that way. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want to do this. Right. But also recognizing that's what life is asking you. there is a, that's when kind of life is moving through you is especially in those moments where we reach this threshold. And then from there, it's, either need to expand and evolve to move forward or not move forward. And then just kind of, this is where we're doing the looping, know, this is where we're doing that cycling of repeating similar patterns.

And then eventually, okay, right. This is I need to take a step forward now. And so it's almost like are we choosing to move forward in our creative process and in creating our reality from a place of this is so hard and I'm so deeply in a state of suffering and discomfort.

And I'm tired of being in this state, or can we do this also from a place of empowerment and be able to have a bit more, a bit more ease and flow and surrender in the process. So it doesn't feel as chaotic is probably the best word. And, and I feel like within, within Venusian Boom, a big part of, of what we're really cultivating here is connecting to, we've been, there's a few names for it. We've been calling it the dream field.

It's also known as the quantum fields. We've also just been calling it the womb generally. So this portal for the unknown, for the fullness, the darkness, the mystery, and also all infinite potentiality that is outside of these constructs of space time. And then from there, when we tap into this field, this is where we're able to open ourselves up to a realm of infinite possibility and really within that space connecting to our soul to be our guide of resonance, right? Because I feel like a lot of guidance of the soul comes from there is this I either resonate or I don't, I don't know exactly why my mind can't comprehend what the resonance is or what I'm resonating with, but it's just an inner resonance and inner knowing.

And it's when we're able to really step into this field that we're able to dream beyond these limitations and these constructs of space time and what we think is possible. And so we've been we've been really playing with this idea of what it is to actually step into the dream field, to actually allow yourself to be open to the infinite possibility of life outside of space time. And we really wanted to also hold some space to hear about what is your personal dream.

And what is your collective dream? And maybe they're intertwined, maybe they're very separate, but really just honoring some time for you to share your dream on this podcast so that we could also weave this dream with you and feel like a big part of this new era that we're stepping into of humanity is nurturing each other's dream is how can we create this symbiosis where we are all co-creating with one another and in that co-creative act we're nurturing the dream collectively and individually. So yeah, I really just want to open up this dream field for you to dream with us.

Miles (59:49): Well, thank you for that. The word dream speaks to me very deeply. What I've kind of connected into is that this is a dream construct. It is a matrix of imagination that we are seemingly physically living in yet not. And the best way to describe where I'm at.

And this moment in time is to kind of delineate and demarcate the old version of me and this current version of me. I used to ask myself consciously or unconsciously, what do I want? And what has changed deeply and profoundly into this present moment in time is a part of me asks, what does God want? And by God, you can look at it in two ways, depending on your belief systems. God.

Guy observing doings up in the clouds, if that's what you believe and that's totally cool, or God, great oneness divine, infinite consciousness, the unified field, everything that has been is and will be. And I wake up every day and see what is required of me as a vessel in a conduit. And connect into those visions and downloads about what it is I need to physically do as a physical entity and a physical being in a physical realm to be able to fulfill this creative force and creative energy, which I believe is fundamentally what the fabric of source is that we live in a creative universe, a dream realm and a matrix of imagination.

And just like that Russian doll analogy I gave before, I believe reality is a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream, infinitely in both directions, looping back around and connecting. What is reality? That's a great question. And one that I think we'll never answer. And intentionally so to not be able to answer that question, because as soon as the mystery is known, everything collapses. And I'll share a brief story about this before going into the deeper part of my dream. It's something that your listeners might be interested to hear.

Not shared as truth, but shared as something to approach with curiosity and to consider. My mom is a channeler. She learned to connect into an energy over 40 years ago. I'm connected into the same energy as her, but her expression of that is very different. She goes into a trans channel state where she leaves her body and a field of consciousness takes over her physical construct.

To be able to speak words using her to communicate whatever needs to be communicated in the presence of whoever is there for whatever reasons. And one day I asked this energy a little bit about, you know, where are you located? These typical human questions. What are you? Where are you located? How does this all work? And ⁓ although they explained that the construct of space doesn't exist, if they were to share where they were, to give our human mind some type of understanding within a hierarchy or order of space. They said we're on the doorstep, so to speak, of the prime source of all. And then they proceeded to say something that changed my life forever. And it doesn't mean that's true, but it affected me in a certain way. And I consider it all the time. So when I asked them, can you tell me about the prime source of all?

They said something to me that I'll never forget. They said, we don't know the prime source of all. And I found that a very powerful answer that in a field of consciousness on the doorstep of the prime source of all could not speak to what all was. And then it made me realize, we get to all have the unique experience of coming up with our own definition of what we think it is to anchor us with some type of guiding light for our journey of exploration and discovery on the trajectory of our destinies, but that there is a master mystery that's not meant to be solved that creates perpetual and infinite curiosity for us to pursue the dreams that are given to us that we get to then try to own as our own as we navigate the 3D realm.

Meaghan (1:04:24): Wow.

Milena (1:04:26): Mm-hmm the perpetual and infinite curiosity. That's exactly it because a curious mind is an open mind

Meaghan (1:04:34): Which then loops back to the inner child, because in that inner child energy there's the curiosity, the openness, the freedom to explore, the innocence.

Miles (1:04:45): There's a beautiful quote in the Bible and this has nothing to do with religion, but that's where it finds itself sandwiched between the two covers of this biblical text. And it says, unless ye become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. And that can be interpreted in a variety of different ways, but how it resonates with me at this moment in time is that unless we reconnect to the aspects of who we really are, rooted in this innocent and playful energy referred to as our inner child. We cannot fully and completely anchor ourselves in such a manner to be the true vessels and conduits of the creative energy that needs to flow through us that we so beautifully and elegantly see in children as they draw their pictures of the world and play on the playground with their imaginary friends.

There's great wisdom that's held within that construct of the inner child that at that age, when we're so young, does not have the responsibility and maturity to be able to physically channel to birth anything that is of a larger scale. A child can have a vision of a building, but they don't have the mechanics of architecture and engineering to be able to do that. And this is where the adult comes into play later in life. And that holy union between the inner child and the mature adult creates the ultimate creative force and everything you see around us is a byproduct of the inner child and the mature adult converging in some way, shape or form to truly create at a grander and larger scale.

Milena (1:06:30): Thank you so much for bringing that quote here. And I say that because this is something that Meaghan and I have been sitting with and contemplating is the idea that heaven, hell is a state of being. And it's accessible here in this moment and in this realm. And again, this isn't, this isn't, it's there is this like religious, I feel like perception and prejudice that may come up. But ultimately talking about heaven and hell, it's it's talking about, right, like it's it's this it's this darkness and this light and recognizing that.

There is, it is not just love and light in the world and we do live in a world of duality. And within that, it's recognizing that both darkness and light are present here and recognizing that it's accessible within ourselves and it's something that we access through our current state of being.

And within that, it's also being able to have capacity to hold both within self because there will be darkness that we are going to continuously cycle through, whether it's meeting our own darkness, whether it's being confronted with the darkness in the world, especially considering the time that we're living in right now. And I feel like it can be disheartening. There's a lot of fear. There's a lot of... disempowerment that can come up, I think, being human and also caring so deeply and being empathic and feeling deeply for the darkness in the world and how that's affecting people. And a big part of this creative process and this part of dreaming and envisioning a world that is greater than the world that we came into.

And it's beautiful to be able to speak to it, to be able to speak to both and to speak to the fact that both of these are accessible to us. And also what are we nurturing? What are we actively pouring our energy into and what state of being are we creating from? Because if we're focusing too much on one, if we're focusing too much on the light, then we're also not seeing the dark. But if we're focusing too much on the dark, then we don't have that capacity in that inner space to be able to create from the light.

So it's really holding, holding both and honouring both and acknowledging them both within self and in the world. And also then connecting to what is bringing your creation forward. And from what place you're choosing to dream, to dream of reality for yourself and collectively. And I feel like just kind of using that also to transition a little bit into your dream, your dream for the collective, your dream for the world and the work that you're doing.

Miles (1:09:23): Mm-hmm. Yeah, thank you for sharing what you just shared. ⁓ mean, there was so much in what you just said that I could speak to. ⁓ But I'll take your last question asking what my dream is. ⁓ So to kind of go full circle to what I was saying earlier, I used to ask, what do I want? Now I ask, what is wanted of me? And I've made the decision to follow that voice.

Milena (1:09:37): Mm-hmm.

Miles (1:09:58): For better or for worse, and irrespective of my personal preferences and desires. I would like to believe that what is being birthed through me heavily aligns with my preferences and desires. And so far that's been my experience of it. But I try not to take ownership of the energy that's moving around me, within me and through me. And my dream is to be able to let this energy use me in whatever way it needs to use me.

For facilitating environments for other people to cultivate their own light and connect more deeply into who they really are versus who they think they are so that they can be more anchored and grounded on their destiny paths to fulfill their creative energy that moves through them for whatever they need to create in their incarnation.

Milena (1:10:53): That's beautiful. Thank you so much. Yeah, and it's really, that's exactly it is, I always bring it back to this quote by Ram Dass is we're all walking each other home. And it's really

Meaghan (1:10:54): Mm-hmm.

Milena (1:11:06): We're all here to remind each other of our power and of our light and of our capacity to dream a new world for ourselves and for each other. And it's very beautiful to be able to embody this light more, to be able to illuminate more within each of us in this conversation, to be able to then express this light and hopefully illuminate that light and that awareness within anyone that's listening to this recording right now. And I really just want to honour, I really want to honour this ripple effect and the way that each of us embodying and stepping more into our light is also spreading that light. And the same way that this darkness and fear spreads.

It's also, it's counterpart love, love and compassion and hope is something that's also equally spreading. And so it's like, what are we choosing to bring to the world? What are we choosing to share with others? And it's really beautiful to be able to hold these kinds of conversations that are ultimately meant to spread more light.

And I do feel like that's where that hope really does live in my heart. And regardless of what happens, we don't actually know what the future is, but we can definitely move through life in this present moment with this hope that it will be something beautiful. And to continue to nurture each of our creative process and the way that... God is moving through each of us individually and trusting that that is for something greater and for something even more beautiful. And so I really do wanna harness and anchor this light and this hope in this conversation. And also just say thank you. Thank you so much, Miles, for sharing yourself and for bringing your energy and your light into this conversation.

I know that personally there was so many things that have been illuminated in my mind and in my heart from what we spoke about and what was said and definitely things that I'll ponder more on. But I do want to hand it off to you, Meaghan, if there's any final words or any reflections that you wish to share from our conversation.

Meaghan (1:13:23): I think I'm just sitting here integrating so much of it already. I'm like, remember, Miles said this and then Miles said this and this activated this in me. thank you for sharing your voice, your wisdom, your insight. There's I'm definitely going to be re listening to this episode in my own time just to come back and catch certain things that because I did find myself sometimes following the thread and then being stuck on something you said. And like, wait, wait, he's saying more goodness. I can't keep up. So but it was so.

Miles (1:13:31): Ha ha ha.

Milena (1:13:41): Multiple times.

Meaghan (1:13:52): Enlightening, there's definitely a spark of aliveness that there was many threads that I'm holding onto and we'll be bringing forth in to the way I'm choosing to show up. And I love the way your dream is to let the dream kind of move through you, just to let it what's meant to come through you every day. And I think that's such a beautiful, especially somatic way to just be moving through the world and honouring where you are moment to moment in your humanness and your spirituality and all of it.

So thank you. Thank you so much for being fully present here for the past hour and 17 minutes we've been together.

Miles (1:14:29): Hmm.

Milena (1:14:29): Yeah, and I do just want to say, Miles, if there's any any final words that you wish to share or anything that particularly stood out for you before we close off.

Miles (1:14:38): Well, firstly, thank you guys for having me. It was a pleasure to be able to co-create with you in this womb of the first episode of the podcast. And there's a very quick poem that I'll paraphrase to kind of close out that's coming up for me now, which is go something like this. What if when you slept, you dreamed? And what if when you were dreaming, you picked a strange and wild flower. And what if when you woke from the dream, you held that flower in your hands? What then?

And what this really signifies for me in this moment is that when we can put aspects of ourself that are in our way to sleep and allow ourselves to be consumed by the infinite possibility of the ultimate dream, we can bridge that which is from the worlds of the unseen into the world of the seen as this vessel in this conduit. Easier said than done. But I really believe that the word manifestation will eventually be replaced by the word dreaming. And that we are going into a collective consciousness of dreamers versus manifestors. Just some thoughts to share as we close out.

Milena (1:16:09): Yes, that is exactly, that is exactly the unlearning and relearning that we are, that we are holding here is recognizing that to hold, to hold this dream, whatever that dream looks like, it is a process. It is a co-creative process and it will ask for all of you, all of your presence. And so we're so grateful for everyone listening, for your presence in this moment, listening to this conversation. This is one of many more to come. And I, without a doubt, know that we will definitely cross paths with Miles at some point in the future and bring him back into some form of conversation about the womb or feminine masculine dynamics or whatever it is that is in the field in that moment.

But really just honouring this conversation and honouring your time and your wisdom and just the fields that we've co-created together and everything that's come through. And so, yeah, I really just wanna say thank you and for everyone that's listening on our podcast.

Again, we are so grateful for your time and honoured that you are spending your time here listening to this. And so just some, just a friendly invitation for anyone that does want to go and explore this a little bit deeper to be guided perhaps a bit more, a bit more outside of this conversation and this podcast more one-on-one is you're welcome to join our collective space. It is a space that is going to be open.

Basically for the rest of the year, we're going to keep this container for all of 2025. It's open, it's accessible for everyone. We'd love to have you in the space and really start to weave more of these dreams and to really open up more to this dream field and to this new way of being, to this infinite space of possibility and trusting that there is so much beauty that I'm sure will be born from this, especially when we are dreaming and co-creating because that is how we can have even greater impact and amplify this vision for the collective . So thank you so much for listening.

Meaghan (1:18:18): Come back next week.

Episode Links

Calls to Reflection and Action:

Remember that you are a vessel for creation: What wants to move through you is larger than your plans or expectations. Release the need to control every outcome and trust that your role is to listen, respond, and let creation express itself through you.
Reunite your inner child with your wise self: Let your curiosity, imagination, and innocence guide your dreams, while your adult awareness nurtures and shapes them. This union is where actual creative power lives.
Dance between surrender and action: Creation is not about mastering certainty—it’s about meeting the unknown with faith. When life feels chaotic or unclear, soften, breathe, and allow yourself to be led by the deeper rhythm moving through you.

The Hidden Key to Healing Lies in the Shadowed Heart of Your Inner Child

Tue, 14 Oct 2025 19:10:11 GMT

There comes a moment on every healing path when the light we’ve been chasing starts to feel thin. No affirmation, ritual, or self-improvement effort seems to reach the quiet ache beneath the surface. The ache that whispers, “Something in me is still unseen.” This is the doorway into the shadow territory of the self.

Meeting the Shadow: A Hidden Landscape Within

The shadow calls us back to the parts of ourselves that learned to hide to survive, the tender, the wild, the too-much, the too-sensitive. Here, healing is not about becoming brighter; it’s about becoming more whole. And at the heart of this reclamation waits one of our most sacred allies: the inner child (the keeper of innocence, memory, and the key to compassion).

We often hear the word shadow and immediately associate it with something dark, shameful, or dangerous. Something that needs to be fixed, purged, or transcended. But the shadow is not a flaw in our humanity. It is part of our wholeness.

The shadow holds the pieces of ourselves we learned to hide to be loved, accepted, or safe. It contains the emotions, impulses, and needs that once felt too big, too sensitive, or too inconvenient to express. It’s the child who learned that tears made others uncomfortable. The teenager who swallowed her truth to avoid conflict. The woman who became overly capable so she’d never have to feel helpless again. The shadow is not sinister ! It’s simply unseen .

When we turn toward this hidden terrain, not to analyze or conquer it but to listen , we begin to meet the deeper layers of our humanity. This is where the feminine approach to healing offers something profound. Rather than dissecting, we soften. Rather than striving to “work” on ourselves, we become curious about what lives beneath the surface.

Shadow work, in this way, is not about fixing. It’s about remembering , gathering the pieces of ourselves that have long waited to come home.

What Lives in the Shadow

The shadow holds more than just pain. It also contains our vitality, creativity, and power —the parts we buried alongside our wounds. In childhood, when our natural expressions were met with disapproval or neglect, the nervous system learned to suppress whatever felt unsafe. If joy, anger, or sensitivity led to disconnection, we learned to hide those parts to protect love.

Over time, these disowned aspects don’t disappear. They move into the unconscious, where they are stored as tension in the body, as emotional triggers, or in repeating relationship patterns. We might call it self-sabotage or resistance , but really, it’s protection.

The body keeps a record of all that has been repressed. Tight shoulders, a held breath, or a constant hum of anxiety often signal emotional material that was never given space to move through. What we call “the shadow” is this emotional blockage, not to be feared, but to be met with compassion . When we approach this terrain with awareness, the body begins to release its grip. The energy that was once bound in protection becomes available again for creation, connection, and aliveness .

1. Find Stillness

Sit or lie down somewhere comfortable. Breathe deeply, feeling the ground supporting you.

2. Invite the Child

Imagine your younger self before you, perhaps at an age when you felt unseen or afraid. Notice what she looks like, how she’s standing, what she needs.

3. Listen

Say inwardly, “I’m here. You can show me what you need.” Let her speak or feel through you: sensations, emotions, or images may arise.

Place a hand on your heart or womb and breathe warmth into it. Whisper, " You are safe now. You don’t need to protect me anymore."

4. Offer Compassion

Weaving Protection into Daily Life

If this reflection resonates with you, the Venusian Womb Collective is a sanctuary for women devoted to healing, remembrance, and embodied creation.

Inside, we explore the wisdom of the shadow, the language of the body, and the art of feminine becoming — together. Join us in the Collective to journey deeper into sisterhood, self-compassion, and the living mystery of your own transformation.

A Closing Invocation

May you enter the shadow not as a place of dread, but as a sacred hall of healing, where the parts of you once hidden are invited into presence.

May your inner child rise in trust, guiding you home through tenderness rather than force. May every ache become an altar, every suppressed whisper a song of return.

And may each breath deepen your living awareness so that you might feel your aliveness, grief, joy, and longing without shame, without escape.

The Inner Child as the Doorway

The inner child is the most direct doorway into the shadow and at the heart of healing. She remembers what it was like to feel pure joy, wonder, and connection. But she also holds the memories of fear, rejection, and abandonment. She is both the innocence that still believes in love and the part that learned to guard her heart to survive.

Many of our adult patterns (perfectionism, people-pleasing, avoidance, control) began as intelligent strategies to protect this inner child. When we approach healing only through the mind, we often repeat the same pattern of control that created the wound. But when we meet the shadow through the lens of the inner child , we enter the territory of feeling rather than fixing.

To meet her is to slow down , to create enough safety in the body to sense what she’s trying to communicate, not through logic but through sensations and emotions. She might appear as the ache of loneliness after conflict, the shame that rises after speaking your truth, or the quiet sadness that lingers when everything looks “fine.” Each of these moments is an invitation to turn toward her with tenderness instead of judgment.

You might ask:

“What are you needing right now, little one?”
“What are you afraid will happen if you let go?”
“How can I make you feel safe enough to soften?”

In the simple act of listening, the inner child begins to trust again. This is integration , when compassion replaces criticism and connection replaces control.

Living Awareness: The Practice of Presence

Once we make contact with the shadow through the inner child, we naturally awaken what could be called living awareness . This isn’t detached observation, but embodied presence . The ability to feel from within. Living awareness allows us to stay with our experience, breath by breath, without collapsing into it or needing to escape. It’s the capacity to feel sadness without drowning in it, or anger without acting it out.

Practically, this looks like:

Pausing to breathe when emotion rises instead of pushing it down.
Placing a hand on the body where you feel tension and whispering, “I’m here with you.”
Staying curious: What does this part of me need right now?

Sound, touch, and movement are powerful allies. A hum that vibrates through the chest, a long exhale, or a gentle rocking can remind the nervous system that it’s safe to stay present. The more we practice staying with ourselves, the more our bodies learn that emotions aren’t a threat; they're simply energy wanting to move . This is the essence of living awareness: meeting life as it unfolds within us, with openness and breath.

Coming Home

To enter the shadow territory of the self is tender, courageous work. It asks for patience, humility, and deep care. But it is also the most profound invitation life can offer: to know ourselves fully and to love what we find.

When we stop fighting our inner world and begin to meet it with curiosity, we rediscover a deeper safety, one that lives within us rather than outside of us. This is living awareness : being present to what is without abandoning ourselves. From that presence, compassion becomes second nature.

We begin to treat our pain the way we would hold a child, gently, steadily, with love. And from that place, life softens. The shadow, after all, was never the enemy. It was the part of us that longed to be seen, held, and loved back into the light.

A Gentle Practice: Meeting the Inner Child in the Shadow

If you feel called to explore this within yourself, try this simple practice.

5. Close With Gratitude

Thank this part of you for revealing herself. Imagine gathering her into your heart, where she can rest in safety.

Each time you meet your inner child in this way, you reclaim a fragment of wholeness . You become the loving witness that transforms shadow into light.

The doorway has opened. The threshold awaits. Your remembering begins now.

Compassion as the Medicine

When we approach the shadow through living awareness, compassion naturally arises. Not as a moral idea, but as a physiological state : the heart softens, the breath deepens, and the mind quiets. Compassion is not pity. It’s the recognition that every part of us developed for a reason .

The perfectionist was trying to earn safety.
The angry one was defending our boundaries.
The avoidant one was protecting us from overwhelm.

When we understand this, judgment dissolves. We begin to re-parent ourselves and to become the loving presence our inner child always needed. Re-parenting means responding to pain with care rather than control. It’s saying, “I see you, I love you, and I’m not leaving.”

Over time, this compassion rewires the nervous system. Old protective patterns loosen because safety is no longer dependent on external approval. It’s cultivated internally through presence and love. This is the alchemy of shadow work : pain becomes the teacher that reawakens empathy, humility, and connection.

The Feminine Way of Integration

In our culture, we’re taught that healing means “getting over” something or rising above it. But the feminine path invites us to descend before we rise. To enter the shadow is to descend into the underworld of the self, into the places we’ve feared or forgotten. It is there that we discover that what, we thought, was darkness is simply life asking to be felt.

The feminine doesn’t rush this process. She listens. She allows time for the tears, the trembling, the quiet reorganization of the body. Furthermore, she knows that true transformation happens through surrender, not force .

Healing becomes less of a destination and more of a relationship , a daily devotion to meeting ourselves with awareness and care. Wholeness doesn’t mean perfection; it means we no longer have to exile any part of ourselves to belong. We become spacious enough to hold our light and our shadow, our joy and our grief, and in doing so, we return to the natural rhythm of being human.

The Parts You Hid to Be Loved

Fri, 10 Oct 2025 14:11:06 GMT

Episode Summary

In this candid episode of the Venusian Womb podcast, co-hosts Milena and Meaghan journey into the realm of the shadow —the parts of ourselves we hide, suppress, or deny to be loved and accepted.

They begin by defining the shadow as the aspects of self that have been exiled to the unconscious, often shaped by early experiences of shame or rejection. Drawing inspiration from Carl Jung’s work, they describe the shadow not as something to fix but as something to witness and integrate—a pathway toward greater wholeness.

Through personal stories and lived experience, Milena and Meaghan share how the shadow reveals itself in relationships, triggers, and behaviours that protect us but also keep us isolated. Meaghan speaks vulnerably about how shame once led her to withdraw and build walls around her heart, while Milena reflects on how moments of safe witnessing can soften those defences and allow light to enter.

Together, they explore the link between shame and belonging , showing how much of our shadow forms from moments when our authentic self was met with disapproval or misunderstanding. In seeking love, we learned to hide parts of ourselves; shadow work is the process of gently bringing those parts back into the light.

Listeners are invited to reframe shame as a doorway rather than a prison—to meet it with compassion, curiosity, and honesty. The hosts share practices for working with shadow energy, such as breath, sound, and movement, as well as the importance of creating safe, supportive spaces for healing. They remind us that shadow work is not a one-time event but a spiral of remembrance and integration , allowing us to return to our humanity with more profound self-acceptance. When we face our shadows, we reclaim the fullness of who we are—and in doing so, we become more real, more loving, and more free.

Key Takeaways

This episode of The Venusian Womb Podcast is available on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , and wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcript

Milena (00:59): Hello everyone, and welcome to episode three of the Venusian Womb podcast. So for this episode, we are going to be navigating some murky waters, some territory that most of us usually will avoid, repress, or just altogether pretend that it does not exist. And that is the exploration of the shadow. So, to give you a little bit of a rundown of how this episode is going to go, we're going to start with introducing the shadow .

Talk a little bit about how shame is woven very deeply within the shadow, and also how relationally the shadow shows up when we are in connection with others. We're going to discuss the process of going from shadow to soul. So this constriction to being able to start opening ourselves up and expanding and integrating the shadow in our daily lives.

And then from there, we're going to talk a little bit about some application of the shadow. How can we, once we've identified our shadow, how can we start to apply it and integrate it and really truly start embodying the gifts that are in the shadow because truly there are some beautiful gifts and light in there. just got to, we just got to get in there and really, really start opening ourselves up to it. So before we get into this episode, I'm going to have Megan drop us into our body so we can soften and start to open up to this territory.

Meaghan (02:15): I'm actually going to do it a little bit differently today because of this theme of the shadow, I don't want to change our states. I don't want to relax us or I want us to stick with the sensations that are coming up just as we're speaking of the shadow. Mostly because yeah, I don't want to change our states. That's really not my I want to do right now. I want us to be able to stick with the icky feelings and the resistance and all of it and be here and not be like, okay, we're going to move to something different.

So I'm not even gonna invite people to close their eyes. I want you to just notice as Milena was just speaking the word shadow.

And knowing that this you might have some knowledge about this, you might have none. You might just have a lingering sensation in the body of the shadow, the shadows dark, it's what does the shadow mean or having your own idea of what the shadow is. And just feeling where in your body that's evoking some sensations. I'm noticing my throat, I'm feeling the need to clear. Like there's already a heaviness and a lump there.

I'm feeling the jitters in my fingers, the hollow in my stomach. And I just want you to note and like body map the cues in your own body of what's present right here right now, knowing that you're about to listen to an episode on the shadow and where their shadow their shame.

And just taking some deep breaths here. Anywhere you're feeling any tightness, restriction, tension, heaviness, ickiness, and just creating space for it to be here because it is welcome. It is telling us something about the shadow and we don't want to just push it away. We're not trying to clear it. We're here to meet it.

Excellent. So before we start talking more about the shadow, I want to speak to how difficult it has been for Milena and I to record this damn episode. If there's something we do want to express to all of you is after journeying and hosting facilitating women's circles for the past two years, we have

We journey with energy, whatever theme we choose that we're going to journey with in a circle, a podcast episode, because it is something we are moving through internally, it is also showing up externally. So the past two, three weeks, I would say, as we've been trying to record this episode, the first ones where we were banging them out every like every two days, they were just flowing. But the shadow has proven to be heavy.

Milena (05:21): Butter.

Meaghan (05:29): It has proven to uncover a lot of things in both of our subconsciouses that we were not looking at before three weeks ago. And it makes it really hard to come and speak about something when we're also facing we're in we're in like the mud of it, the yuck like the murky waters Milena was talking about. So we've been in the murky waters, we're still in the murky waters, but I think we're both more integrated in it and ready to speak on the shadow and be a little bit vulnerable about what we've been moving through personally as this theme has been quite present for both of us. I don't know if you have something you want to add to that.

Milena (06:07): Honestly, thank you. just want to say that it's so interesting to be able to, like you said, journey through this energy and in journeying through it, it's really just setting the intention of exploring this in our lives. Like in our day, it's like, ⁓ okay, this is the energy that I'm connecting to, setting that intention. Sometimes there's been moments where I've been like actively journeying through my shadow because of externally the things that are happening in my if you know someone triggers me or I'm finally at this place where I'm ready to take a next step forward with shadow exploration that may require a change in me and in these external things happening it also is drawing us into reflection and drawing us into sitting with the shadow because absolutely I would not be actively journeying with the shadow for two weeks straight however life happens

Meaghan (07:03): Mm-mm.

Milena (07:05): Life happens and it does require us to sit with these parts, especially when they're feeling activated. And so just to give a little bit of context of how exactly we journey through this energy and this is also something that, you know, following this episode you can do and set the intention, even if it's just for today or just for 10 minutes after this, to see what is activated within yourself and just give it some time to be with it without needing to fix it, without making it wrong.

Just allowing yourself to have radical honesty and compassion to be able to see it with non-judgmental eyes. And I think it's time for us to introduce it. Do you want to take us off, Meaghan?

Meaghan (07:46): Are we going to define the shadow? Absolutely. So we'll start by defining what is the shadow? What is this big thing that we're talking about in this episode that we've given a huge introduction to. So the shadow is a term coined by the psychologist Carl Jung, and essentially is what it is, is the parts of ourselves that we've hidden, that we've deemed unworthy of love, that we've shoved into our unconscious, we've exiled, we've shamed.

Milena (07:57): Doom and gloom.

Meaghan (08:14): Either we genuinely do not know even exist, that we're not even aware that these are parts of ourselves, or we're aware but we're so ashamed and we will hide them. We will do everything in our power to make sure that nobody around us sees, notices, or even knows they exist. But the problem with this is that these are still parts of us. These are really, really actually important parts of us. There's a huge paradox here that the parts that we put in our shadow are the parts that need to be witnessed the most. And that is what the shadow is. It's these parts that are, you think of that iceberg analogy of like, you have your consciousness and your subconscious on the bottom, the shadow is everything underneath the eyes line. We don't see it. We're not aware of it. And that's the shadow. It's the, all those pieces go.

Milena (09:08): I do want to say it's, it's in the subconscious, but there are certain situations, like I said, where it will activate a part of you. And sometimes you don't even know what the activation is. Like there is kind of this murkiness of like, okay, I'm feeling triggered. This is the thing that triggered it.

Meaghan (09:18): Yes.

Milena (09:31): But now from there, it's kind of starting to actually have discernment with self and like this is where the sitting with without needing to fix your change comes in of just being able to understand just with loving curiosity, there is an openness that is required to witness yourself, to even understand what exactly is being activated within you.

Meaghan (09:42): Mm-hmm.

Milena (09:55): And it can be confusing sometimes. Sometimes you're activated and you don't know. You don't know. You just know that it may be related to this, so whatever this is, but it really is something that once there is some awareness, right, the shadow is what's in the dark. The dark is the absence of light.

So when we're activated, there's almost like this little speckle of light that starts to shine within us. And it might just be a little pinhole of light, but it's light. There's light there. It's already kind of been dropped into our awareness. And this is where the shadow integration in terms of this exploring comes in, where it's like now at least there is a part of us pinpointed in our consciousness that knows that it's there.

And as you continue to just get curious, you know, there might be another follow-up experience that may trigger a similar part because now your consciousness is much more focused on it. It knows that it's there now. And then that clarity starts to, it starts to form a bit more. And this is where we're able to have a lot more discernment as we're exploring this territory of like understanding what it is that is there.

And I do have this analogy, which I feel like is so incredibly helpful, is when we're in the shadow, you know, these parts of ourselves that we've never accepted or just even claimed or seen, it kind of is like this knot. It's like a knot. And there's all these things in the darkness of this knot. You we can't see it. Sometimes we don't know why it's there. We don't know what parts of us are being triggered or where it came from. Not that that really matters. We'll talk about

Meaghan (11:39): You.

Milena (11:40): But it's a knot, it's a knot and it's just like, what is this? I just know I'm uncomfortable and I know that this is something that I don't know about myself. And it's helpful because once we start shining light onto this knot, we can start to see, where do these layers of shadow overlap? And it's so helpful to be able to have support.

Meaghan (11:42): Ahem.

Milena (12:02): To have our own support and witnessing and not judging ourselves and holding loving space for ourselves as much as we can, you know, because we are human, we are flawed. It's just the beauty of this human experience. So let's normalize that. We all have a shadow. But it's like once and even just having support from others, we're able to start to like untangle this knot and we can see all the different layers that are here.

And it doesn't feel like this big, scary, dark cloud over our heads. It starts to feel like something that we can see the individual layers. We can start to understand where the shadow really was first hidden. from there start to, going from this like murky cloud of just confusion and discomfort of like, ⁓ it's too much, I don't even want to see any of it, to starting to then uncover the different layers of it.

And I feel like that analogy is so helpful because it's like from this knot to then being able to like discern what it is and having someone help you untangle that knot so you can actually see it because sometimes yourself, you know, you can't, it's hard to untangle the knot. And this is where we will talk about this. And I feel like this kind of brings us into this whole theme of shame with the shadow because this is where we need to be witnessed. This is where we kind of need support because other people can shine light on these parts of ourselves as well. Even if they don't know your lived experience to that degree, they know you. And so it's helpful to have that, to have a mirror in this process of shadow exploration as well.

Meaghan (13:42): There's so much there was so much juice there and golden nuggets and like I'm like, I could go on a tangent here and a tangent there and a tangent there. There's like three things that really stood out to me. There was one thing you when you first started talking that the shadow is not something to be fixed. And I want to be so crystal clear on that. The shadow is just some it's uncovering more parts of yourself to come more into your wholeness. And it's not a part of you that needs to be fixed and I just want I wanna like everyone to just take a breath that your shadow does not need to be fixed.

It just needs to be seen. It just needs to be untangled and witnessed. And the light just needs to be shined on it because then once the light is there, it can't go back to the shadow. You can't really pretend it's not there anymore. But shaming yourself and making it feel like it's something wrong and bad and unworthy. There's like this need to fix, like, need to fix myself. And I think our her. Our capitalistic culture really, really loves this about us. It itself, it loves the shadow, it feeds on the shadow. And I really want us all to just take in for a moment that our shadow does not need to be fixed. It just needs to be witnessed as Milena said with as much love and understanding and compassion as possible. So that was the first thing I wanted to piggyback on from

Milena (14:56): Let me sell you all these things to fix yourself, to fix your shadow.

Meaghan (15:21): And the second, I want to, I don't remember what she said, but there was something I do want to, I want to give a little bit of a share of how the shadow can show up before we dive into shame. Well, this kind of ties into shame because I guess there's shame here. There's always shame when we're talking about the shadow, but not noticing these things that we do. And I'm going to give a little bit of a personal story that has come through through the shadow work.

So what I've recently learned that I've actually just integrated probably yesterday, I shut down when I'm in shame, when I'm in my shadow, I isolate and pull away from the world, from social media, from everything. And in my mind, I think I'm talking, I think I'm sharing, but it has been clearly brought to my attention by both Milena and my partner who had little interventions. They don't talk to each other, but they both did it very simultaneously and lovingly said, Hey, Meaghan, ⁓ start talking.

Milena (16:31): You have a wall that has no door, no windows. Like I can't even look in, like completely, completely closed off in every sense of the word.

Meaghan (16:42): Yep. And I've noticed that when I come acquainted with a part of my shadow, that's what I do. That is my first reaction to, my God, I'm not lovable. I need to hide from the world because I'm trying to, I haven't accepted this part yet. I'm facing it. I'm seeing it. But my first reaction when I meet the shadow or a part of my shadow that I've never met before is shut down. I put up walls so high, like Milena said, no one's getting in. I'm not even getting out.

Unless somebody like bulldozes their ways in. I can't even get out, which gets very scary because I don't even realize I've put these walls up. And it takes a lot for me to, and then I usually get to a point in my shadow where I'm spiraling so much and I've gotten to this point where these walls are so high and I'm so deep in that victim of like, poor me, poor me. Nobody knows that that's what's going on in my head, but that's what's going on in my head.

Milena (17:13): The thing. You're not getting out which is the important part to say.

Meaghan (17:39): And when I realize, my God, I don't want to be here anymore. And I have love that comes in that light that pierces through somehow, somehow it finds its way in. Then I'm able to take a deep breath in it. I'm able to be like, shit, I'm in shame. shit, I'm really deep in my shadow. And thank God that something was able to pierce its way in because then the minute that little beam of light comes through, more is able to make its way in.

And that is something that has been very real and new that I've uncovered as we've been journeying with the shadow this time around. And I also want to speak to exactly what pieces like we kind of talked about what the shadow is by defining it, but your shadow can be thoughts. It could be past experiences. It could be suppressed emotions. It could be just these triggers. It's there's so many things that the shadow can be.

Milena (18:31): Triggers.

Meaghan (18:37): And I do want people to see it as like, yes, these parts of ourselves that we're hiding, but also behaviors that we have actions that we do. And we're not we're really trying to give this lens of these are not bad things you're doing. These actually were adaptive strategies that we're going to talk about a little bit more later. But they have protected you in the past, but then they get in the way of you connecting with yourself and then connecting with others.

Milena (19:03): They protect you so much that you've closed yourself off from any type of like just being received, being received by others. And you know, I do want to say, kind of see there's this, it's like I see when you were talking, Megan, about these walls and these protective mechanisms, because the walls are there to protect you. It's there to protect you from being witnessed, because it's like, ⁓ this is way too much for anyone.

Meaghan (19:04): Hahaha. Anything? Mm-hmm.

Milena (19:31): And it's also a way of protecting others because it's like, I'm too much. Like, I'm not in a good state. I don't want to give people this energy. Right. And so it kind of goes both ways as well as when we imagine these walls, it's like there's these walls around us. Yes. And like they may have no doors, no windows, maybe a concrete wall, but the top of it, like the ceiling, that's open. That's open. And if you can have someone that's able to sit with you in it,

Meaghan (19:34): Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Milena (20:01): And probe a little bit. You know, with love, it's like, I love you and this is a safe space and you can bring yourself here. Like sometimes it really just takes that creating a container, creating a safe space with a connection, even if it's just with a friend or even with yourself, just to be able to start to let the light kind of go in through the top. It starts to trickle in, trickle, trickle, trickle in. And then that's when we start to open up.

Meaghan (20:29): Mm-hmm.

Milena (20:30): So we're not in this closed box completely, absolutely not. The top is free, but we really gotta create more of that safety for ourselves and reassurance to be able to let the light in. Yeah. And I do wanna speak a little bit more to this piece on shame. And for anyone that is currently...

Meaghan (20:46): Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Milena (20:58): Understanding even how shame is showing up for you. Brene Brown is an incredible resource to be able to understand a bit more about shame and also within the understanding of shame and how it shows up within ourselves. How can we bring love to our shame? Because the shame is there. The shame is there to make us feel that we are the problem, to make us feel that we are too much, that we are broken.

And it makes us the problem rather than the thing that is triggering us, rather than the lived experience. Because there's a reason that the shadow is there. The shadow is ultimately a protective mechanism that we've created in our lives with the intention of keeping us safe. And so when we're able to have more compassion for that part of ourselves, we're able to see that there is no right and wrong.

Meaghan (21:29): Yeah.

Milena (21:54): It's the shadow itself, innately, is not wrong. It does serve a purpose. And it's really about integrating that that way it's not closing us off from connection and closing us off from ourselves. And so I did want to speak about this like this, this is the shame that that kind of makes us the problem. And when we're making ourselves a problem, then this is when we start to isolate because we're wrong. So if we are wrong innately, then we don't want anyone to access that. We don't want anyone to see that. And this is also where a lot of that performantiveness comes up. know, like, God forbid I'm in the thick of my shadow and someone asks you, asks me, how are you? I'm like, boy.

Boy, there's, ⁓ okay, wow. I can't even perform through that sometimes. Like I'm just like, ⁓ I don't know. I have this response. And it's so interesting to be able to just hold space, hold space for this part of ourselves ⁓ and really just create that safety and reassure ourselves that we are not the problem here. The shadow is not something to be fixed.

Meaghan (22:51): No.

Milena (23:13): Because it's not something that is innately bad. It's just something that needs love. These are the parts of ourselves that need love the most. And so it's like when we're going about it from this place of shame, we're making ourselves wrong and we're judging ourselves. And then that just kind of keeps us even more stuck in this, ⁓ I'm wrong, rather than just being able to hold loving space and be like, okay, this had a purpose.

Meaghan (23:21): Mm-hmm.

Milena (23:41): And it's here and it's a part of ourselves and it's also human. It's human. Everyone has a shadow. Everyone has a shadow and everyone has parts of themselves that they deem are unlovable. So it's helpful. It's helpful to normalize this conversation a little bit and to realize that there's nothing wrong with you. It's part of being human.

Meaghan (24:05): I definitely want to down the shame. ⁓ I don't really want to add that I want us to kind of picture shame. Actually, I'm gonna invite everybody to take a deep breath first.

Milena (24:09): Mm-hmm, me too, girly.

Meaghan (24:29): Want us to picture shame as this gateway to our shadow. That shame is typically right. The shame is covering and blocking the shadow. And the shame comes in, especially something gets I want to talk about how do these things get put into the shadow? How do we exile and shame them and shun them and send them to this shadow land? And a lot of the times when we bring parts of ourselves where we bring a full a fullness of us, that is not accepted, that is not loved or feels like it's of belonging. We then cast that out to the shadow because then we are taught in that moment when we bring that part of us, my goodness, it is not safe for me to be me in this way. I need to put this away. And I do wanna add to this piece as we're talking about shame, one of our core needs as human is our sense of belonging, to feel like we belong.

And that's why shame is so freaking heavy. Why shame is so alienating and isolating and icky, icky, icky, icky. It's painful. Shame can feel physically painful because when we feel like we don't belong, when we feel like we cannot connect with others, especially when us, actual, who we really are is wrong and inherently bad, that is the most painful thing in the world because then we have to mask, then we have to pretend and shape shift into something we're not.

To get the love we think that we are wanting or the love that we want, we are shape shifting into that. And how we learn to put all these things in the shadow and like, yes, how I've learned to put up these walls is because I don't, there's a lot of these parts of me that I don't deem are gonna be lovable or met with and seen with love. And we do get this from growing up as children with our primary caregivers. And I wanna be very clear, I'm not pointing our fingers at our parents.

Because a lot of this is very generational. How we are loved is or how we are loved by our parents is how they were loved and how their parents were loved is like, it is just this perpetuation of how with the skills and sets and a lot of times there's so much misinformation about how to raise children. Like in the past, we used to tell parents like, don't go to your child if they're crying. And there's all these things that we were not, we're not blaming anybody. We're just wanting to bring awareness of how this happens.

So as a child, if you have a particular need or you bring a particular part of yourself that is then shamed or told, don't do that, that's too much. We are implicitly and explicitly getting cues from our environment and the people that are taking care of us constantly on how to behave to receive love. And in this way, as we are learning, okay, so this is acceptable behavior, this is unacceptable behavior. Okay, when this part of me comes out, I'm ignored or people don't respond to me.

I won't bring that part out anymore. Or when this part comes out, I'm really, really like they think I'm really funny. So I should maybe start being more funny so that people are going to give me more attention and give me more love. And it's all just because we want to belong. It's all because we want to be connected. This is all about connection. And then the big piece with this, why sharing shame and talking about shame and having these conversations is so important is because connection is what cures shame, bringing it to the light, talking about it.

And shame is a relational wound. This is all about wounding. And because these woundings come up in relationship with people, the only way to cure it, to heal it, is to bring it back into relationship and to be loved in it. And that's why we're talking about this. This is a big part of the work that Milena and I do in Women's Circles that we're gonna be bringing to our collective, that we're bringing to this podcast.

Is we want to heal these parts of us that have been suppressed and cast out and give them love, give them curiosity and show them that they are so, so, so welcome here. And there's so much magic in these parts of us. When we connect to these parts of ourselves, we are able to bring forth more of us, more of our creation and we're able to be met.

Our fullness is actually able to be met and loved and held and it's not as messy and scary and not worthy and bad as we have we feel it is in our minds and our bodies. So that's the piece I wanted to add on shame.

Milena (28:58): Ooh wow, that was, goosebumps. I could not have said that better. And I feel like, you know, we're going into this, you know, what is the shadow work? What is the exploration of the shadow? Like, how do we actually work with this? And I wanna share how Megan and I worked through the shadow. When we started doing...

When we just started connecting, we didn't even, Venetian womb did not exist at this point. We did not even think about doing woman circles at this point. just, our friendship, like our sisterhood has healed so many parts of my shadow and so many parts of myself, generally shadow, not shadow. We had this day that we got together. We would get together every single Tuesday. We had a little womb cave that we would go to in the forest. ⁓

And we had this one particular day, I don't remember what archetype we were working through, but shame was coming up. There was so much shame that was coming up. Yes, yes, it was the mother wound. was the nurturance. Because the mother, our mother is who we derive our safety from, right? They are the ones that we're dependent on them when we grow up.

Meaghan (30:05): Other wounds. Mm-hmm.

Milena (30:20): And so we were journeying with the mother archetype. We're in our womb cave. And we both had a moment where we're like, ⁓ boy, we're drowning in shame. And that means that we have to go into it. And I remember we did this practice of like, we're sitting together. We're in this little womb cave. So we feel like we're, we feel this protection, you know, by being in this little hut and it's just me and her, we're in the forest. We're sitting on dirt, on the ground. We're grounded.

Meaghan (30:28): Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Milena (30:49): And we were both just like, okay, mind you, mind you, Megan and I had known each other for like, I don't even know, a third hangout. Like ⁓ it was one of the very early stages of our friendship. And we were both just like, okay, we're going to express our shame. We're gonna have a shame share right now.

Meaghan (30:57): This was our third time hanging out, just me and you. ⁓

Milena (31:13): And we both prompted ourselves. We're like, okay, what's the thing that you hold the most shame around that comes that right now comes to mind right now in this moment. And I remember like the sensations and mind you, I've again, we're not pointing fingers, but I have not had I've not had a safe space to what I truly felt a person that could that could hold me and what I feel is like the worst part of me. I'm like, this is like absolutely massive. It's way too much. I don't know how anyone could possibly even sit in this part of myself with me or like love me through it, let alone sit with me. And we both sat and expressed whatever came through in that moment that held it held this like deepest anchor of shame within our body. And I remember shaking like my voice was shaking as I was speaking to my shame.

My body was like so anxious, it's debilitating. And that's exactly it was so helpful. We were just like putting our hands on each other's legs, holding each other. And there was just such a beautiful reassurance and just such a beautiful presence. And we shared our shame. We shared our shame. And that was very hard. There were many tears shed.

There were many, you know, like just the rejection and the resistance and we got through it. And it was so beautiful in that moment, like in real time, I could feel the weight of the shame dissipating and also realizing that my perspective of this part of myself was so distorted, was so distorted because I felt that this part was completely unlovable. And Megan, the way that, ⁓speaking about like my personal experience, the way that you held space for me and helped me through that shame. And you were like, this is okay. This is, this is loved. And this is beautiful to witness you in this level of vulnerability and just to see this part of you is beautiful. And that healed in that moment.

Healed so much pain, so much hurt, so much shame, so much rejection. And that's like years worth of shame. Years. We carry the shame in our body. We carry the shame in our psyche. The way that we speak to ourselves, the way that we treat ourselves, the way that we relate. Like you said, that chameleoning. It's because we're making ourselves wrong. That we could never be ourselves because then we wouldn't be loved.

Meaghan (33:42): Mm-hmm.

Milena (34:01): And in that moment, that was one of the most impactful practices that like I still have this vivid memory. Like I can drop into that moment again like this because of how impactful, how energetically impactful. Like that is a moment that is forever ingrained because that was one of the first times that I felt like truly embraced for like who I am.

Meaghan (34:08): Mm-hmm. Visceral. And I think a big cue that I have in my body from that moment that brings me back this early is how much I was in the shame sharing it and I couldn't even look at you and I couldn't believe I was even saying it. And then, because I love eye contact, I love looking at people's, I know that when I'm not looking someone in the eyes is because I'm sharing shame. And when I met you and you were still there,

Milena (34:41): Mm.

Meaghan (34:53): And you still, didn't look disgusted. You didn't look angry. You didn't look like, ⁓ my God, that's horrible. You stayed, you were there. And I was like, wow, this shit's powerful. It is so powerful to be met in the space where you felt you had to hide and bury and make sure, and it was your life mission to make sure nobody ever saw.

Milena (35:10): Powerful. Mm-hmm.

Meaghan (35:24): And to be met and loved there.

Milena (35:26): And objectively, objectively, that was just two girlies hanging out. That's it. That's all we were doing. And it's so interesting, because I feel like sometimes, you know, when we're talking about shadow work, we make it, we make it, we're being so in our head about it. You know, we make it seem like it's this whole process and it's all this work and there's so much that we have to do and it's just like, whoa.

Meaghan (35:31): Video.

Milena (35:52): Honestly, a huge part of this is just be just be witnessed be with and just allow Get out of like let let the walls Open a window in the wall just a window, right? It doesn't we don't have to let the whole wall down We don't have to share all of the darkest parts of ourselves. And again, I do want to say also that When we are in this in this shame sharing, right?

Meaghan (35:55): Mm-hmm.

Milena (36:21): Yes, we are talking about the lived experience that has caused the shame. it's kind of like that's where the shame has originated from is from the lived experience. However, we don't want to get stuck in the story. We don't want to get stuck in the story. We want to focus on how that lived experience has made us feel.

And how that lived experience energetically is still living inside of us. And so yes, the story is something that will inevitably be part of exploring the shame, but the more that we fixate on the story, the less that we're fixating and focusing on ourselves.

Meaghan (37:05): Mm-hmm. I remember I brought so much humiliation into that cave and just sitting in the humiliation with you or being witnessed in sitting in the humiliation of like allowing myself to feel... the ugly cries. The goobers, the snot running down.

Milena (37:18): And I'm talking the ugly cries, the ugly cries. Like the... The goobers all everywhere, everywhere. But when you allow yourself to just be messy, there is no performance. It's really truly like I am just allowing my humanity, my raw humanity to just be present and for that to be allowed.

Meaghan (37:33): Mm-hmm.

Milena (37:47): And it was honestly, it was a safe space too. We're two girls, we're alone, we're in the forest, we're contained by this beautiful wooden hut, you know, so we're not like exposed out in the open. And it's just those, when we're able to create a container, a space for ourselves, where we're able to create more of that safety. Had we been...

I don't know, like in the street of like downtown Toronto or even just like in a public park where like there's a lot of foot traffic. There's no way that we would have been able to actually go into that territory and actually been able to like bear our souls because we're thinking about how we're being perceived, right? There isn't, we're not in an environment that is conducive of that safety and that softening.

Meaghan (38:15): No.

Milena (38:38): And so this is something that's also incredibly important when we're starting to explore shadows, right? Is what's the environment that you're in to actually, and is it conducive for you to be able to feel?

That you have a space, a private space where you can witness these parts. And some things that might be helpful, having some fluffy guys, having some fluffy stuffies, super helpful. Like when I'm talking about creating this more of a safety for yourself or for another friend, know, if you're doing this together is talk to your inner child. Talk to your inner child and connect that part of yourself of what does your inner child need to feel safer.

For me, that looks like having these stuffies, having these little guys around me, having a blanket, making sure I have water, maybe some cold water, maybe some tea, some pillows. Usually I'll kind of like nest, I'll create a little nest for myself on the ground. Maybe the light is way too overstimulating. I wanna be in some lower ambient lighting or have some candles. Maybe I wanna get some ⁓ essential oil. Lavender is such a soothing scent for me.

Okay, maybe I play some music and there's some binaural beats and that's soothing, right? Like all of these things allow our body to soften so we can even really go into this territory and feel

Meaghan (40:01): Mm-hmm.

Milena (40:06): It's not going to feel safe because we're already exploring this part of ourselves that we've deemed wrong, we've repressed, we've made too much. But if we're able to create that safety, more of that safety in our external environment, it's so supportive to reflect that into our internal state.

Meaghan (40:23): And then it like just allows it allows the shadow to act as a mirror for integration. It allows us to be radically honest with ourselves. And like you said, it allows us to open to the experience and to be with all the feelings that we're typically trying to run or that bring puts us into fight or flight and actually be like, wait a minute. I don't need to have all these protections right now because they served in the past, but they don't, they're not serving right now. They're actually getting in the way of what I'm wanting right now.

Milena (40:52): And it's a right now in this moment. It's not, I don't need these protections now in my life moving forward. It's, I don't need these protections just right now in this moment.

Meaghan (40:53): Yeah. Yeah. Ahem, moment. Mm-hmm. That is so, yes, that's a really good piece to add. And yeah, I'm trying to think of what else we want to speak about.

Milena (41:11): I do want to say that a huge part of this, there's got to be that radical honesty. Because there are so many different strategies that our brain, our ego, ultimately it's our ego. Our ego is like, I've created this identity for myself, this is who I am, I am perfect, this is what I'm showing to the world. And so when we're integrating our shadow, our ego feels threatened. Because it's like, this is also part of me.

Meaghan (41:23): Mm-hmm.

Milena (41:41): And this also. And when the ego feels threatened, this is where, again, there's these strategies of like, ⁓ let me just, let me dissociate. Let me not go as deep.

Meaghan (41:52): Yeah. The mask of perfectionism.

Milena (41:55): The mask of perfectionism. Yup, the eagle loves that. I'm fine. I'm fine. Let's just, yeah, Begin loves that. Let's just not talk about me. We're talking about me way too much. It's just like, no, we're not though. That's okay. We're allowed.

Meaghan (41:59): The armour of I'm fine, all's good. Let's just keep working. Let's just keep working. Let's just let's just work. Hmm.

Milena (42:17): And that's the thing is that, you know, we will even lie to ourselves. Like there are so many ways that we will continue to avoid this part of ourselves. ⁓ And there is a radical honesty. There's a radical honesty that is required in this process of like, I can't lie to myself anymore. I can't lie to myself anymore. And I can't be something that I'm not. And in that radical honesty, there's a reclamation because you're not bypassing those parts anymore.

Meaghan (42:43): Mm-hmm. You're allowing yourself to come into fullness, your complete, into, there's an integrity that comes in. When we're operating from our shadow, it's really hard for us to be in integrity with ourselves because it's a performance, a lot of it is performing and isn't really true to who we are at our core. And I want to link this back to gestating the dream and the womb and all of that because that's what we're here for. that is, I mean, this shame, I would almost say is the biggest element that can get in the way between you and your dream.

When you don't think you are good enough, when you don't think you are worthy, when all of these things get in the way of you being the version of yourself that is required to co-create the dream, to live the dream, that is where the shame really, really comes in. And that's that, in the way that little guy that's standing on the bridge of like, you shall not pass. That's how our dream is like right on the other side. And we have to be radically honest with ourselves. And we have to look in the mirror and face what's coming up and not keep running from it.

And the best way to be doing that is with others, because doing it alone. I want to argue doing it alone is like impossible because you will stay in your little fort for the rest of eternity. ⁓ But really being in connection with others is going to be so healing for this process so that you don't stay stuck there. And so that these parts of yourself can be integrated so that you can feel whole and you can feel loved for who you really, really are, who you authentically are. It's just coming into more authenticity, coming more into yourself. And that sounds pretty great.

Milena (44:38): You know, when you've already gone through the murkiness of it, being on the other side, I've journeyed through some really, really unlovable parts of myself in this process of hosting these women's circles, going through the process of journeying through these different energetic themes, because there's always some type of shadow that will come up. And... Honestly, it's been through this process that there's been a reclamation of self and what people can relate to the most is your humanity. We are all human. And yes, we come from different paths of life, different lived experiences. You know, we're born into different parts of the world where we're exposed to different types of privilege and challenges and adversity. But what we all have in common is that we're all human. And this is just part of being human.

And it's a part of our humanity, of our human experience that we don't talk about enough because it's heavy. And again, like this, ultimately it's in the reclamation of our wholeness of our full selves that we're able to be more magnetic. We're able to be more relatable. Like people, people are able to, to actually connect with you more because you're not performing.

Meaghan (45:53): Mm-hmm.

Milena (46:02): You know, like, I know I go online and I see all of these different highlights of people's lives and I'm like, wow, that's so cool. But it's hard for me to relate. It's hard for me to relate to it a lot of the times, because I'm like, but this isn't just it. It's not just this love and light.

Meaghan (46:21): Mm-mm. Mm. Mm-hmm.

Milena (46:22): And when we're able, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, right? Because we will use that to bypass. Let's be in the loving light because this feels good. And this is such a beautiful attitude to connect on. But it's like, oof, but there are gifts. There's gifts when we're able to actually break a little bit. Because when we allow ourselves to break, when we allow ourselves to fall apart,

We're able to like, there's, there's, it's kind of like this analogy of like when your heart breaks, it breaks open. You're able to hold more love for yourself. And because of that, you're able to hold so much more love for others. The more love that we can hold within ourselves, the more of our shadow that we can, that we can be present to, the more that we are able to do that for everyone else. Because we were able to come into our humanity and realize that we're all human.

And we're all just doing our best. And yes, we're all flawed. We are all flawed. We all have lived experience that still has these energetic imprints within us. And that's that energy, like that authenticity is magnetic. That authenticity allows you to feel more of your own wholeness. And through that, through that embodiment, we're able to fuel the dream.

That integrated part of self, gives us power. It gives us resilience of like, yes, I have these parts of me, but they're allowed. And it makes us resilient to life. It makes us resilient to rupture and connections. It makes us resilient to adversity because there will always be a life experience that is going to trigger you or is going to show you a part of yourself that you don't like. And it's okay to fall apart. It's okay to break a little bit.

Meaghan (48:08): Mm-hmm.

Milena (48:13): Because on the other side of that, there's a breakthrough.

Meaghan (48:19): And in that, this like, just a gestating the dream, there's like this clearing of the soil, like the shadow, the shadow is like pulling the weeds. It's creating space so that we can root down so that we can have a solid foundation that's just not going to tipple topple over. Because if you're building something on shame, there is nothing sturdy there. It's all going to fall down. And you want to really be able to clear it all.

Milena (48:37): Yes.

Meaghan (48:48): Maybe not all because there's always I don't want to make it sound like this is a you do this once and it never happens again. This is this is a spiral. This is a spiral. It's a process. You're going to come back to it over and over again. But if you're met with shame and you don't acknowledge it and you keep going, this is something that will it's going to keep coming up and it's going to get in the way. It's going to prevent you from being able to move further in whatever process you're in. And

Milena (48:53): It's an active process.

Meaghan (49:15): This can be in dreams, projects, relationships, all of it. I am hitting a huge, huge part of myself in my relationship right now that I'm like, whoa, wait a minute, am I the problem? Not that I'm the problem, but we were having a couple arguments. Am I causing the chaos? I used to be the one that was stuck in the chaos and now I'm the one causing the chaos.

Milena (49:33): Am I causing the chaos? But also, it'll fluctuate, you know, because again, we're all human. We all cause a little bit of chaos sometimes.

Meaghan (49:44): It does, I does. It's, but noticing how in those arguments I'm like, I'm the one that's in the right. I'm not causing any chaos right now, but being able to take a step back and be like, wait, what part did I play? What part was my shadow playing in this that brought us to the level of chaos we were in?

Milena (49:59): Actually... Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I, you know, I do wanna, I feel like we've shared a lot ⁓ of helpful ways of how to work with the shadow. And I feel like in the most simplest of ways, breath, sound, movement. Breath, sound, movement. This is the Trinity. This is the Trinity of how we can alchemize so many of these parts of ourself is again, breath, breath work.

Meaghan (50:23): Mm-hmm.

Milena (50:35): Slowing down, when we are navigating the shadow, there's an activation. It's inevitable, it's part of the process, and this is why it feels uncomfortable. And this is usually right when the activation happens, we check out. So slowing down your breath, slowing down your exhales, maybe even doing the two breaths in, one breath out.

Super helpful box breathing breathing in for four counts holding before breathing out for four counts holding before You can do four you can do seven you can do eight whatever feels supportive for you Listen to your body breathwork is an incredible Avenue to be able to ground ourselves through the discomfort. It's not gonna make the discomfort go away Okay, it'll still it'll still probably feel that's we have all the stuffies and all the comfort things You know cuz like it's it's not gonna make the discomfort go away

Meaghan (51:19): Yeah, it's not going away.

Milena (51:28): But you'll be much more supported and grounded through it. And it will pass. I promise you it'll pass. Yes.

Meaghan (51:32): And it'll, yeah, it'll give more choice, more choice to respond as opposed to react to the feelings that are being activated within the discomfort or whatever, whatever emotion that's present that's so uncomfortable. Damn, I had something I wanted to say, but I lost it. You keep going. I will let you know.

Milena (51:50): If it trickles back in, you let me know. Sound, sounding, tantrum. Grab a pillow. Grab a pillow, scream into it. Hum to yourself, humming. It literally, it soothes our vagus nerve just by humming. And I found this very helpful practice. You put your, you plug your ears, I can't really do it right now, but you plug your ears, you put your hands over your face and you just...

When you're plugging your ears, actually allowing, you're able to hear the vibration and you're vibrating your entire chest cavity, your entire head cavity, your chest cavity. And this is such an incredible practice to be able to ⁓ support, support the nervous system through that activation. Sound is also expression, expressing, having people that you can speak to and giving it words, letting it come out. Even if...

Meaghan (52:46): I want to add for with the tantrum to move to like, yes, the sound but throw pillows, hit pillows. If you need to throw your body and freaking out bang on your chest and throw your arms and swing and throw an actual tantrum with your body. Do it. It's really supportive. But also again, the space we would do this as kids. And but as Milana said, like before that the space being able to let go.

Milena (52:48): Mm-hmm. Mmm. Pandrum. We would do this as kids.

Meaghan (53:14): And do that in a space where you feel safe to do it is a requirement to throwing a tantrum, unfortunately.

Milena (53:20): Mm hmm. Breath sound movement. Again, engage the body.

Engage the body, throw your tantrum, make sure you're in a space where you're comfortable to do that. Even if that means just like a somatic shake, like just just shake viscerally. When animals are being chased by their predator, what do they do after they shake because there's all this trauma and activation stuck in the body that they that's how they discharge. And we are literally animals. We are complex. We think we're think we're so involved in all these things, but ultimately there are there are primitive parts of

Meaghan (53:40): Discharge.

Milena (53:54): Human beings and there's so much that we can learn from the animal kingdom and so again somatic shaking even just if any any type of movement that is supportive for you running weightlifting yoga swimming just move your body because that is going to move the energy it's going to discharge energy and it's also just going to let the energy flow we don't want to stay stagnant

Meaghan (54:13): Mm-hmm.

Milena (54:16): And I'm not saying immediately after an activation, because sometimes we've exhausted ourselves, we're emotionally exhausted, and we don't feel we have energy. So again, tailor the movement to what your energy level is in that present moment, but absolutely engage your body because the body holds a score. The body will hold trauma and just energetic imprints from difficulty, difficult experiences, and we need to engage the body in this as well.

Meaghan (54:28): Mm-hmm. And as you like I want to bring it back to like when we were sitting in the womb cave when we were in the cave, she sharing shame and shaking, we it's releasing trauma, and we have to let our bodies release the trauma, we can't keep holding it. So allowing the body and whatever your body wants to do, let it do it. It intuitively knows what it needs to do. And it might make no sense to your logical mind. But let trust the wisdom that your body has, because it's doing something to discharge. And you might feel like you need to just roll, or you might want to move your hips.

Milena (55:02): Do it anyways.

Meaghan (55:11): Or you might wanna just rest and let your body just be, do it. Trust the wisdom that your body is feeding you because it is so wise and it knows so much. ⁓ Yeah, yeah. I wanna say one last thing. Shadow work is a homecoming to yourself. It's a remembrance. It's, wow, I had no idea I was doing that.

Milena (55:25): That's it.

Meaghan (55:40): And instead of going like, my God, I'm bad, it's get curious. Get curious about your shadow because that's how it's gonna, it's gonna help you move through it. It's gonna help you see it and integrate it and bring it in and then be able to share it with somebody else as well. And I do wanna, one more thing, share it with someone you trust. Sharing shame with just anyone is a recipe for disaster because they might double shame you. And then you're.

Milena (55:58): Mm-hmm.

Meaghan (56:06): You're gonna be even more in the hole than you originally were in the hole and that's not gonna be any fun. So when sharing, we've been talking a lot about share shame with others but share it with someone you trust. That is so important. You don't wanna just be sharing your shame with anyone, not that you would anyways because we feel shameful for it and it's hard to share shame but go,

Milena (56:24): I gotta do another disclaimer is if you feel like the shame or what's being activated within you involves another person, don't share it with them. Don't try your best to find another safe space that you can share, a safer space to share it with because inevitably if that trigger is involving another person, it's gonna trigger them as well.

Meaghan (56:46): Just gonna trigger them.

Milena (56:49): And it can create shame for them as well. if Megan is sharing her shame, but I'm not connected to that story. I'm able to hold space because it's not personal to me. ⁓ So that's also another thing because again, shame is a very, it's a trickster. And even if we feel that we have someone that we can share it with, if they're activated, they may also be stuck in that shame spiral and it's harder for them to hold space.

Meaghan (57:18): Mm hmm. And yeah, until there's like an integration of the shame you're sharing that you know, you can maybe come into a repair with someone and speak very vulnerably about it. Then yeah, sharing with somebody that is not involved is most likely more ideal, much more helpful for to help with the integration process of it and to just feel held in it. So on that note, thank you.

Milena (57:34): Much helpful.

Meaghan (57:43): For listening to our episode on shame. We made it through. I can't believe it. We made it through. There's definitely so much more we could say and we will be saying more in the collective as we're gonna talk, go deeper into shame. We're gonna have some journal prompts, some activities, activities, practices is what I wanted to say. I guess they could be called activities too. And we're just gonna be gathering together as women.

Milena (57:48): Thank God it flowed.

Meaghan (58:12): Talking about this going deeper into it. We're gonna have our circles to go deeper into this. So if you feel like you want to go further, you want more support with this, join our collective . I'm like lost at what to say. ⁓ our next episode. Our next episode is on the inner child. We're going to be talking about the inner child.

Milena (58:30): Ooh. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so... The inner child is the gateway. The inner child is the gateway to be able to access these edgy parts of ourselves. So we're going to be bringing some playful, some more playful, explorative, curious, seeing the world with awe and wonder. This is the energy that we're connecting to because this is ultimately that innocence. That's the energy that we that that is so supportive to be able to explore these parts of ourselves, right? Where we're able to see it with new eyes. There's this innocence that there is no judgment.

Meaghan (58:38): Hmm. Mm-hmm.

Milena (59:05): Because of that: if that's, if you're feeling, if you're feeling raw, if you're feeling moved or tender after this episode, know that that's okay. And at the same time, right, like we do have this collective space. Megan and I are also, we're here. We're here to hold space. We're here to create this, this space for you to be able to explore yourself in a way that feels supportive. And we're here to support you.

Meaghan (59:35): That's all. Come join us next Friday.

Milena (59:40): Bye!

Episode Links

Calls to Reflection and Action:

Meet your shadow with compassion: The parts of you that feel unworthy or unloveable don’t need to be fixed—they need to be seen. When you witness these parts with gentleness instead of judgment, you begin to reclaim your wholeness.
Bring shame into the light: Shame often hides what’s most authentic within you. Notice where you shrink or withdraw, and allow safe connection—with yourself or a trusted other—to soften those walls. Healing happens through being witnessed in love.
Create space for honesty and embodiment: When uncomfortable emotions surface, breathe, move, and sound them through your body. Shadow work resides in the body, not the mind, and by staying present with what feels difficult, you strengthen your capacity to love all of yourself.

The Womb Journey: Walking the Spiral of Self-Remembrance

Tue, 07 Oct 2025 14:54:57 GMT

The womb is a teacher, a temple, and a map. To walk the womb journey is to step into an ancient remembering, a spiral path that brings you back into the marrow of who you are. This is not a straight road with a final destination. It is a living cycle that carries you deeper into your body, through the shadows you once hid, and into the homecoming of your own wholeness.

The Spiral

The womb is not only a physical space; it is the spiral of creation itself. In the language of nature, this pattern is known as the Fibonacci sequence , the golden spiral that repeats through seashells, galaxies, pine cones, flowers, and the very architecture of our DNA. Each number in the sequence is born from the one before it: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13… a pattern of continuous evolution where what came before always births what comes next. Nothing is wasted. Nothing is separate. To enter her journey is to surrender to life’s spiral, where every descent becomes a gateway to greater light, and every ending births a new beginning.

Every creative process mirrors this dance. Whether you are birthing a child, a dream, or a new version of yourself, you are moving through the spiral. The descent (darkness, the unknowing, the stillness) is not the end. It is the gathering point before the next expansion. The Fibonacci spiral curves inward before it arcs outward again, reminding us that contraction is not regression; it is preparation for the next unfolding.

When you walk the spiral, you learn to trust that every cycle matters. You understand that nothing is wasted, not your pain, not your joy, not the pauses in between. All of it feeds the next layer of your unfolding. The spiral does not hurry; she does not forget. She carries you exactly where you are meant to go.

For us, this truth has revealed itself most clearly in our relationships with abandonment. Every time a relationship touches that wound (when the familiar ache of distance, rejection, or uncertainty rises), we find ourselves circling back to the same emptiness. Yet somehow, it’s never quite the same. Within that quiet space, beneath the noise and emotional turbulence, we meet a new version of ourselves – one who remembers her power.

Each return to this wound revealed another layer: a younger part of us longing to be seen, a noticing of the ways we abandon ourselves, a truth about what love feels like when it is safe. We realized healing is not about getting rid of the fear, but learning to meet it differently each time the spiral turns.

This is the wisdom of the spiral. She does not rush the process. She teaches us that healing is not linear progress, but a dance of returning, remembering, and reclaiming. Every time we circle back, we come home to a more whole version of who we are becoming.

When you surrender to the spiral, you stop fighting the rhythms of life. You allow yourself to be shaped by them. You begin to feel how grief composts into wisdom, how loss becomes fertile ground for beauty, how descent becomes the very gateway to greater light.

Reclaiming the Forgotten Self

The womb journey is the path of reclamation. It calls you to gather every fragment of yourself you once left behind, the wild one you silenced, the grieving one you buried, the angry one you judged, the radiant one you doubted. In the womb, nothing is exiled. The shadows you fear are welcomed back as lost children, aching to return to the hearth of your body. By saying yes to them, you stitch yourself whole again. This is not about perfection; it is about belonging. Belonging to all of who you are.

1. Sit in Stillness

Listen to the whispers in your womb, the quiet pulse beneath your breath.

2. Create Ritual

Mark your cycles with candles, altars, or simple gestures of reverence.

3. Move With the Moon

Let her phases mirror your own inner tides.

Dance, rest, breathe, allow your body to speak.

4. Practice Embodiment

An Invitation

Beloved, the spiral is open. Can you feel it calling? Perhaps a dream has been whispering in the background. Perhaps a part of you longs to be reclaimed. Perhaps you sense that you are standing at the threshold of a new cycle.

Place your hands upon your womb, or your heart. Breathe into the silence. Whisper the name of what is stirring. Offer it to the spiral. Trust that the womb has already received it.

If you are feeling the pull to journey deeper, to be witnessed, held, and mirrored in the presence of other women walking this path, you are already being called into The Venusian Womb Collective . Join us inside this living field of remembrance where we spiral together through healing, creation, and reclamation.

Closing

Descent as Initiation

Every cycle invites descent. The spiral does not only ascend into the heavens, but it roots you down into the fertile soil of your body. To descend is to remember that wisdom lives in your flesh, in your blood, in your bones.

This is not a fall from grace. Descent is initiation. It is where you touch the grief that has been waiting to be felt, where you lay your ear against the heartbeat of the earth, where you surrender the illusion of control. The descent is what grounds your power in truth.

Without it, your creations cannot root.

Layers Without End

Sisters, there is no finish line. You will circle back again and again, each time uncovering new layers. Do not mistake this for failure. The spiral is endless because you are endless. Your soul carries infinite mysteries waiting to be revealed, and the womb journey is how they unfold.

Sometimes the layer you meet is joy, sometimes it is rage, sometimes it is the silence in between. Each time you shed a skin, you arrive more fully in your essence. Each time you spiral inward, you return with more of yourself intact.

This is the reclamation of your fullest expression, the remembering of every voice, sound, and movement that was once silenced inside you. As each layer softens, more of your truth becomes available to be lived, spoken, and shared. The more of your expression that is brought into the world, the deeper it can be met in connection.

This is how the spiral carries you home: through each descent and return, you reclaim the forgotten fragments of yourself, until your expression becomes the reflection of your soul’s wholeness.

Homecoming

At the centre of the spiral is home. Home is not somewhere outside you; it is your own body, your own breath, your own womb.

When you arrive here, you no longer chase belonging in other places. You rest in the sanctuary of yourself. You trust the language of your body as an oracle. You feel your womb as a compass pointing you back to the truth. This is the homecoming the womb journey offers: to live embodied, sovereign, and connected.

Closing and Opening

Every turn of the spiral carries both closure and renewal. Old karmic patterns surface so you may release them, bow to them, and complete what was unfinished. As one cycle closes, another opens. As blood releases with the moon, a new dream begins to stir.

This is the sacred rhythm: dying and birthing, releasing and gestating, closing and beginning again. When you embrace this rhythm, you stop fearing endings. You begin to see them as gateways, thresholds into new timelines of possibility.

The Devotion to Process

The womb keeper whispers: do not rush. The journey is not about racing to become. It is about allowing yourself to be, here, now, in whatever layer is asking to be felt.

When you devote yourself to process rather than outcome, everything becomes sacred. The tears, the laughter, the silence, the waiting. All of it carries medicine. The spiral reminds you that you are not here to reach a destination, you are here to live the mystery.

Living the Spiral

To walk the womb journey is not only poetry; it is practice. Here are ways to live this path each day:

5. Gather in Circle

Share your journey with sisters, for the spiral is amplified in community.

6. Welcome the Shadow

Greet the parts of you that you once banished , and let them return home.

Remember, gestation is never rushed. Your unfolding is holy in its own rhythm.

7. Trust Timing

May you walk the spiral with courage.
May your descent be tender, and your return radiant.
May every shadow become an ally.
May every cycle bring you home to yourself, again and again.

The womb is waiting. The journey is yours.

The Full-Body YES: Co-Creation Beyond the Mind

Fri, 03 Oct 2025 19:59:51 GMT

Episode Summary

In this heartfelt episode of the Venusian Womb podcast, co-hosts Milena and Meaghan delve into the concept of creating and living from a place of embodied alignment—the feeling of a full-body yes.

They begin by rethinking the word manifestation. Rather than trying to control outcomes through force or willpower, they describe creation as co-creation : a shared process between self and the divine, between the mind that dreams and the body that feels.

Milena incorporates the teachings of Dr. Joe Dispenza to explain how creation occurs when the mind and body work together. The mind sets a clear intention, sending an electrical signal to the universe, while the body generates the emotion and energy that magnetize what is meant for us. When these two are aligned, and we release control, we allow the dream to take shape in its own time.

Meaghan shares a personal story about learning to stop replaying mental stories from the past. Through presence and awareness, she found freedom from old patterns and a deeper sense of creation in the present moment. Together, they discuss the importance of somatic discernment —the ability to feel when something resonates as a true yes or when it feels heavy and misaligned. Rather than judging resistance, they suggest treating it as guidance that helps us return to truth and integrity.

The conversation then turns to Dharmic remembrance —remembering the soul’s natural gifts and expressions. Whether through art, caregiving, or teaching, our Dharma is not something to chase but something to follow through curiosity and joy.

They close by returning to the idea of gestation , reminding listeners that dreams, like life, grow in the unseen. Faith and trust become essential, allowing us to release control and know that what we are creating is unfolding exactly as it should.

The episode concludes with an invitation to join the Venusian Womb Collective for a deeper exploration , previewing the next topic: the shadow , and how meeting it with compassion leads to new creation.

Key Takeaways

This episode of The Venusian Womb Podcast is available on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , and wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcript

Milena (00:59): Hello everyone and welcome to the Venusian Womb podcast. We are so excited and grateful to have you join us for this episode. We are going to be talking about the full body. Yes. And what it means to manifest in the body. So just giving you a little bit of what to expect in our flow for this episode. So we're going to start off with what manifestation is in the quantum. How do we manifest through our mind body?

We're going to talk a little bit about somatic discernment. So what feels like a full body yes, and what is a full body no? Talking a little bit about dharmic remembrance and what it means to come into alignment with your Dharma, with your creation, with what makes your soul feel alive and feel that full body yes, as you are bringing this dream into creation.

And finally, ending on how does gestation come through in this entire manifestation process? Because yes, we can send our order out to the universe, but there is a process for us to actually receive it. And that is what we are talking about is how can you be in that in-between process? So to land us into our body, I am going to pass it off to Meaghan

Meaghan (02:16): I'm going to invite everybody before we go any further to just gently close your eyes or keep a soft gaze and take a deep breath in inhaling through the nose on the exhale. And depending what time of the day it is while you're listening to this, just calling all parts of yourself back to your body, back to this moment, allowing your awareness to land here.

Feeling your body, the sensations you're experiencing, the textures of your clothing that may be touching your skin, the sounds in the space, if there's any smells or tastes that are lingering, and orient yourself into your body. Take another deep breath, breathe in. And exhale. And remember, you are whole, you are complete, and you are here listening. When you're ready, you can open your eyes and reconnect with us here.

So to start us off with this topic, which we're noticing is actually a really difficult topic to discuss. And the resistance we're meeting right now has to do with the word manifestation.

And we know that this word is used so often in pretty much all spiritual communities. And we're not gonna say that it's not real because that's not true. It just doesn't feel right or right for us in this moment when we're speaking about creating, when we're speaking about the dream, the things that we're wanting to bring into our reality as much as that is the definition of manifestation. Manifestation feels very forced. It feels very controlled. And we think that vision boarding and all these beautiful scripts that you could journal about are really great tools that could be part of the co creative process. But calling it manifestation doesn't feel right for us. So as we're going to proceed in this episode, we are we are referring to what some people would call manifestation.

But for us, it's really the co-creative process because it's not just us forcing something into our environment, our 3D reality, but a co-creation with God, the universe source, whatever it is, this divinity that is working with us to bring and cultivate our dreams from this space that we don't actually know where it comes from, but that it is creating something from that space. So I think it's really important to name that because we're both getting a little bit stuck over how do we speak about this because we're still learning about what this means to co-create. And it's hard to speak about something that you're still in that process of gestating in that process of understanding and embodying. So I think we're still in that we're getting to understand what it means in our minds. But

We know that in our body, doesn't feel right to speak about it as manifestation, but it is a co-creation that we are referring to. And I'm going to pass it over to Milena to speak about the quantum because this is her area of expertise and it really relates to a lot of what we're speaking about in terms of co-creation.

Milena (06:29): Thank you so much, Meaghan. And it's so interesting meeting the resistance about a topic that I feel like is so spoken about so often. And we really want to bring in the mind, which is so incredibly important. It's such an important tool that we have in our capacity as humans. But we also want to engage the body because it's so important for both of these to be actively engaging in this process of co-creating and bringing this dream into fruition. And I do want to bring in Dr. Joe Dispenza's work in this process of explaining the creative process of our dreams.

And it's so beautiful because he breaks it down into these two parts. When we're engaging our mind, this is where we focus on having the clear intention of what is the dream that we are choosing to create and to pour our energy into. And when I'm saying, ⁓ when I'm talking about intention and focusing on the clarity of that intention, oftentimes we may think to... put ourselves into this future timeline and start naming all of the things that we see within that timeline. And yes, while that may be beautiful to envision and to have that dream, more than that, I'm talking about having a clarity of intention that comes from a place that is deep within yourself.

What is the why behind this dream? What is the meaning what is the motivation behind bringing this dream into reality? And when we are able to really get clear on what it is that we are creating, and we are so connected to this motivation that goes beyond ourselves, this is when we receive a clarity of intention that sends such a powerful electrical charge into what we are going to call and what is known as the quantum.

So when we are looking at the quantum within this framework of the womb, right, we're talking about the fullness. We're talking about this infinite potentiality of energy that is not limited by space and time. So when we are creating, we are truly able to, as sovereign beings, tap into any of these potential timelines that exist.

And when we have that clarity of intention, we're able to send an electric charge into the quantum that is equal to what it is that we want to create. And from there, this is the mind. Now, when we engage the body, this is where we are focusing on the feeling. What are the feelings within that dream that we want to experience? And so, you know, when we're talking about the dream, oftentimes it's abundance. You want to experience love, or this fulfillment, or just the actualization of expressing our soul, expressing something that feels deeply meaningful. And so when we are able to connect to those feelings in our body, truly amplifying this energy without needing to know how it looks like exactly, because the more that you connect to this feeling in your body, as we mentioned in episode one, the more that the clarity of what it actually looks like comes through.

And so when we are able to bring this frequency into our body, we are sending out an a magnetic signature into the quantum. And this is how we start to magnetize. We start to draw in the people, the places, the things that are meant to get us to that next step of creating the stream. And I think that beyond that, even beyond the clarity of intention of the mind, beyond the embodied frequency of that energy of what we desire to experience when this dream is already manifested. This is the body.

Now, the third piece is sometimes that I find the hardest, and this is where the co-creative process comes in here, is letting go. Is being able to let go. Of any control that you have of how this dream or when it is actually going to manifest. And it doesn't mean that you're not taking the active steps towards manifesting this dream or creating what it is that we want to bring into our reality. But ultimately it is being able to let go of forcing and imposing our will onto the three-dimensional world.

This is where the co-creative process comes in. And when we're asked to surrender to something greater, to a timeline that is out of our control, that is divinely orchestrated to be in the ways that we need so that when we are actually closer to creating this dream, we have the capacity to hold it, to hold it and to sustainably be with it and to continue to cultivate that dream once it has been birthed. Because as we know in the womb cycle, we allow it to gestate as much as it needs. And this is where we are able to surrender to this process, to become an energetic alignment with what it is that we want to create. And when we are able to surrender to that process and really allow it to take the time that it needs, this is when we become the manifestation itself. And this is where...

The easefulness, the flow of creating comes through in a way that is so incredibly undeniable. And I did just want to add this final point in terms of the clarity of intention in the mind that sends out our electrical signal, the embodied frequency of what it is to have that dream manifested right now in this present moment. This is the magnetic signature. And together we have the electromagnetic signature that we are sending out into the quantum, where we are setting a clear intention of what it is that we are creating, that we are calling in, and then we're also drawing in the things that we need to get there. And then we let go. And when we let go, this is where we are actually creating space within us to be gestated, to be in the process of creation.

Again, it is because of who you become in the process that what you are creating is inevitable. It's going to happen regardless. Regardless because of who you've become. And this is the most important part of manifestation or creating or co-creating whatever it is that resonates with you. But this is where we've really seen this truly is a co-creation with something greater. And, that we do have, we are actively active participants in this co-creation, but we are not in control and we're not meant to be because the dream that we are creating is so much greater than we could even think it.

Meaghan (14:03): You said that so beautifully, so beautifully, so eloquently. And I want to add because as you were speaking, I was like, ⁓ I have a vulnerable share that I can bring in right here right now. I have my mind over matter tattoo that was inspired by breaking the habit of being yourself by Joe Dispenza, which takes in a lot of what Milena just talked about. And something in this process of coming and noticing what my internal state is and how that's impacting my external reality and this process of co-creation. I am going to admit that I feel like I can admit this now because I'm really not doing it close to as much as I've ever done it before.

I love creating stories in my head. love fantasies and imagination. And I can honestly say about 30 to 40 % of my days usually would be me running make believe stories in my head of running into an ex partner and what I would say running to an to a friend that I used to be in contact with and like playing out these scenarios that most likely would never happen. But

And this is how I would be stuck in these patterns of this is what was happening internally me. Yes, I was doing my day to day life and I was doing my jobs and doing whatever, whatever. But what was actually going on internally was keeping me stuck in the past was keeping me stuck in these places that didn't even exist anymore in the present. But I would keep perpetuating them over and over in my head with no goal. With just to find, I guess, some form of resolution that I felt I didn't have yet, but I was never really getting to said resolution because these stories kept on going for a really long time. And I am really proud and grateful to say I have noticed I have landed in a space in my life in this present moment where these stories, I catch myself starting to do a story and I go, no, thank you.

I stopped the story. have choice over stopping these stories that were running my mind, my mind space were on the screen in my mind. And they no longer have space there. They do try to start I'm not going to say that they don't try to start my ego loves to start these stories. But I have come to a place in my own body and in this process of becoming where I can stop them. I have choice over stopping them.

And it's so empowering the time, the creative energy, this co-creation of my actual manifestations and desires is happening so much faster. It's so much clearer. And I really want to share that this process is a process. It doesn't happen overnight. But that is an example of what Milena talked about that how this could happen in real life. So that was something I wanted to add. I don't know if you want to add anything that came through.

Milena (17:13): Thank you so much for just even talking about the human experience. I feel like a lot of us we try to hide these things that the mind does. You know, it's all operations of the ego to try to keep us in what's familiar, what's predictable. And, you know, oftentimes I do want to add this. Oftentimes when we've been used to suffering. We can perpetuate that in our lives continuously when there isn't this perspective of something greater than that state of being. And I think that oftentimes, simply because something is familiar, we may get stuck in stories, we may get stuck in a state of being that we don't actually consciously want to be in.

And I feel like this is where a lot of us can get stuck in this victim mindset of feeling that you are constrained by your current space, time and reality. And I found that I was able to actually break free more. Again, I feel like this is just a continuous part of the human experience. When walking this path of sovereignty, I found that I was able to break free more from this cycle of just continuous suffering when I was able to actually see something greater than my life, greater for my life than what I was currently experiencing or what I have experienced in the past. When I'm not using the past as a reference for my future and when I'm not putting any limitations of what that dream is.

I've been able to tap into states of being that I've either not experienced, I may have or don't remember, or I just don't experience often. Because I'm putting myself in this timeline that goes beyond my past. It goes beyond my present. And it allows me to connect to something that is possible. It's possible. And it's that belief that is the ultimate belief here.

That will open you up to any creation that you want to bring to the world is the belief that it's possible. And I think that this is one of the most important things because you cannot sustainably take steps towards something that goes against a core belief of yours.

Meaghan (19:48): Mm-hmm.

Milena (19:50): And again, like Meaghan said, this is why it is a process because you're, you're truly going through all of the limitations within yourself between you right now in this present moment and the dream that you want to create. It's what's, where's that resistance? Where are you meeting that resistance? And knowing that the only way out is through, you got to go through it to become aware of what are the limitations? Where do you feel that you've reached a dead end?

And then get curious, stay open and question it. Honesty. And it's so beautiful, Meaghan how you, how you mentioned that these stories come up and it's become this no thank you. But before even getting to the no thank you, it's

Meaghan (20:22): Be honest. Be honest.

Milena (20:40): Just having the mindfulness, creating the mindfulness where you can create that space between the story and you. And knowing that you are able to observe the story, but you are not the story. The story is not your truth. And when you're able to create that space, that space ultimately is being able to just have non-judgmental awareness towards yourself. Just be present with it. Don't judge it, don't make it wrong, don't need to change it or fix it.

Meaghan (20:52): Mm-hmm.

Milena (21:08): And when you can just be in that space of presence with these things, these narratives, these beliefs, resistance, the fear, the scarcity, the suffering, that is when you're able to become, bring more awareness to it and to have more autonomy over how you're choosing to actively co-create moving forward.

Meaghan (21:31): Yes, and I want to add like tools how to do this because we've just spoken a lot about what this is what it could look like but how to do this and somatic discernment has been the key into all of this. Recognizing when something feels in resonance versus when something feels in dissonance has been cues that again, this is part of that becoming of developing and even learning what resonance feels like for you and learning what dissonance feels like for you. And knowing that our souls, speak through frequency. So if we're tuning into that frequency of resonance versus tuning into that frequency of dissonance, we're building our own capacity to discern between the two of them and know, okay, so I know this is this for me and this is this for me, now I have choice. Do I wanna keep choosing what's out of alignment for me? Discernment being out of alignment or do I wanna pick resonance which is in alignment with me?

And that's all comes back to the body. So everything we talked about in the last episode, those sensations, your clairs, those are cues that you're getting to learn from your intuition speaking to you. Now, okay, let's tune in even deeper. What is your intuition saying? How is your resonance speaking to you? And resonance is usually clarity for how me and Milena have experienced it. It feels like clarity, like this veil of fog has just lifted. And it feels clear as day. All the answers are not there. That's not what we're experiencing, but this clarity, this lightness, this openness, this receiving that our bodies experience when we are in complete resonance and alignment with whatever we're speaking about doing, whatever we're like, we want to start doing that. It just is felt. It's so deeply felt in the body.

And dissonance on the other hand, and that's why I'm not saying for everybody is going to feel like this because as we talked last time into with the interoception feeling like all of us have our own experiences with this. And it's so important for each of us to go on our own journeys to distinguish what are my body cues that are mean resonance and what are my body cues that mean dissonance. But for us dissonance has been resistance.

We've been meeting a lot of resistance in this episode. And I think we finally landed in that point of clarity and flow and resonance in what we're both saying. But resistance for us is that's our dissonance. That's our body saying, your mind is going somewhere and is on a tangent saying something that I don't agree with. Like it's literal blocks that we feel in our bodies or we shut down or both of us just get frustrated and like.

I'm not making sense and I don't even know what's coming out of my mouth or I'm completely dissociated. And that is what the resistance is. The dissonance of the body and the mind are not on the same page. But when your body, your mind and your soul are completely on the same page, it's clarity, it's clear, it flows, there's alignment, there's resonance, there's remembrance. And I also want to say that the dissonance, it's not negative. If anything, dissonance is our compass. It's telling us, it's pointing us in the direction of

Okay, let's course correct. You're not on the right tracks right now. Let's pivot. And I think a lot of people when they feel the resistance are, are natural, or what we're taught to do is shut down, is to run away because then we go into fight or flight. And we don't get curious. We do the opposite. We don't want to get curious. We put up a wall, we want to protect ourselves.

Milena (24:59): Protect.

Meaghan (25:03): And I want to really extend the invitation of curiosity in this process. Because curiosity is I see it as this medicine to somatic discernment. When we become curious and it builds off of what Milena said about the non judgment, when we're not judging ourselves, when we're not judging our bodies, when we're not judging any of the cues that are coming up, and we're just allowing them to be what they are, and to be the wisdom, because that's really what it is, it's wisdom that our body is telling us. And we just have to listen.

Milena (25:35): I just had something come through so strongly as you were saying that, which is oftentimes we resist is not the dissonance itself. It's what the dissonance is calling us forward into. That may look like taking a step back from spaces that you were once in. That may look like setting boundaries with certain people in your life at this time. That may look like honoring yourself first. And the people pleaser in you is not going to like that.

Meaghan (26:05): No.

Milena (26:07): And so oftentimes that's the thing is these messages, it's our body letting us know what we need. And when we allow ourselves to be with it without making it wrong, we're honouring ourselves. That's such a deep act of self love and authenticity. It's like, is what's truly present for me right now. And that's the most authentic way to honour yourself.

Meaghan (26:36): And I love it because resonance, it just brings you deeper into truth, deeper into integrity with yourself. And even when it doesn't feel like when the people pleaser is like, but we're hurting people's feelings, but that's what feels right for you. That's what you need. And I think it's such a beautiful process of getting real intimate with yourself in this somatic discernment and just this co-creating with the universe ⁓ that happens while you're

Milena (27:05): Mm.

Meaghan (27:06): Dreaming the dream while you're gestating your dreams.

Milena (27:11): I do want to say one more thing for all of my people pleasers on here because I think that most women have a people pleaser that lives inside of them and can't speak for men because I have not been hosting men's circles but I can definitely speak for women and

Meaghan (27:22): In.

Milena (27:32): I do just want to say that when you are truly committed to this path of self exploration and self actualization, ultimately, because that is what we are doing in the creative process, we are actualizing the truest expression for ourselves in this moment. And when we do that, that is going to bring us through this process. Again, like I said, being very, very, very strong in what we are doing and our life.

This is where our why is going to get us through. This is where the why it's like, this is so much greater than just me. Like this is this, I truly believe that this is something that has so much value that it can benefit so many people who have, even if it's just one person, you know, we're not talking about these like empires, just whatever it is that you are creation, creating it's valuable. And that's also going to look like not making other people's reactions your responsibility when you're creating those boundaries, when you're allowing this process to gestate you and being very, very, true to who you are in that moment.

And I do feel like we will definitely touch on this so much more when we talk about energetic boundaries in future episodes, but just wanted to give permission, give permission to the people pleasers on here to honor yourself. Cause that is an act of love. And I do feel like this is going to bring us into our next, our next part of this episode, which I think also I want to maybe add more clarity to this. And this is Dharmic remembrance. I feel like Dharma is something that

You know, it's a term that's thrown out there a lot, again, within the spiritual community. And the way that I've had it introduced to me is that the Dharma is ultimately this like super big soul calling, soul mission, legacy that we want to leave in the world and

It just kind of adds so much pressure. It adds so much pressure to be clear on what our Dharma is and to know exactly what's the thing that we're meant to do in the world and what's the purpose for our existence and giving meaning to life. And while this path of exploring perhaps what that Dharma may be, ultimately, when I think of Dharma, I just think of soul actualization, where your soul is here, it is expressing. Whether that is the wisdom, whether that is the gifts, the skills, whatever it is that you naturally, naturally, innately are gifted in, are good at, feel drawn towards, especially the things that we love to do as a child.

These are the things that we naturally gravitate towards. These are the ways that our soul naturally feels to express. For me, I literally sang my entire life. And despite closing so much of that off out of shame of not being good or it not being perfect, I stopped expressing. But that was always something that I love doing.

And when I was able to finally remove these illusions, these layers of shame and just perfectionism and pressure and judgment, I was able to actually blossom into this beautiful work that I do now at Sound Healing. And again, I don't know if ultimately this is my like greatest purpose in the world, but I know that my soul feels so expressed when I am doing it.

And it's something that I just, I don't even know how I do it, but I just do. And it's so natural. And it did take curiosity. did take exploration to even get here. It took connecting to my inner child. And that was, that, is ultimately what led me to this point here to even be able to feel the aliveness that I do when I sing. Whereas before I felt so ashamed and so timid and just so disempowered.

And it's so beautiful to see how the more that we actually allow ourselves to get out of the way, when we're in this process of self exploration, when we're seeing what it is that feels like a full body. Yes. What is it that lights you up? What is it that your inner child love to do love to play with was curious about? Those are the ways that we are opening up to greater exploration of what is our Dharma? What is something that our unique soul? Is gifted with and that we are blessed to be able to bring into the world through our creations. And I do just want to also normalize this. Like I feel like for Meaghan and I, it's been Venusian womb. But for my mom, that was being a mother.

That was being able to nurture a being and to be such a big crucial part of their becoming and their unfolding. And for someone else, it can be being an artist, being a songwriter, being a lawyer, whatever that looks like, right? But it's, you honoring your soul gifts? Are you honoring what is unique to you that no one could possibly do in the way that you can?

This is how we are ensouling, we are bringing soul into our world and into our creations. And this is where we find remembrance. When we are actually able to follow the little breadcrumbs of where our soul is leading us, of where inner child is leading us. This is where we can truly connect to, this is my path. This is what lights me up. This is where my bliss is leading me to.

And the more that we allow ourselves to give into that, wherever that leads you, because it will lead you in ways that your mind is like, blah, blah, blah, blah, what are you doing? How do we make sense? It's not computing. And it's not supposed to. It's not supposed to because the soul doesn't speak from the mind. It speaks from the body. It speaks from your spirit. It speaks from your energy. And I just want to say that, you know, if you're questioning what your Dharma is in the world,

Meaghan (33:41): Stop! ⁓

Milena (33:59): I invite you to connect to your inner child, to be playful. Just let yourself play. Let yourself see the world with new eyes, with fresh eyes, without limitations, without this fear that's been conditioned in us. And especially without scarcity, knowing that when we are actually truly following our soul and truly following the gifts that we are meant to share, when we are speaking from this place, it's felt.

When people see you create something from such a deep part of yourself, it resonates. It's the energy speaks for itself. And that inevitably is going to magnetize more people to your creation. That is inevitably going to bring more people that are going to see the soul in it. And they're going to say, thank you. Thank you for sharing your art because of what it inspired in me. And this is how we are all just walking each other home. And exploring what is my becoming? What is my Dharma? What is my legacy? What do I want to leave in the world? What am I here to create that only I can?

Meaghan (35:08): Feel so... And before ending this episode, I do want to loop us back around just to how this relates to gestation. And I want to speak about faith and the trusting the trust and that the process is going to unfold in all the right ways that it's meant to. And just this trust because this is not happening from the mind. None of this is happening from the mind. It is happening in the body.

And you don't have to check in with your baby that's gestating in the womb like, is everything going good in there? you need like, it's just this trust that it's all unfolding the way it's meant to. And the same for the dreams and the co-creation with the dreams. And it's that letting go that piece of letting go that Milena was talking to that faith, that faith that is so that is needed. You need to have faith when you're dreaming.

Especially when you're in that process of co-creation because if you're trying to control your dream you're not going to go very far we tried to control this entire episode from beginning to end and let me tell you it took us a good hour before we were able to flow with it and we just said screw the script screw the script we don't need it you have to just have faith in what you're doing because everything that's happening in this gestation and this fertile ground, this voidy area, you can't see it, it's invisible, it's unseen, and you just have to trust that what's happening behind the curtain is happening for you and in all the right steps that's meant to come for you. I don't know, I said that twice, but I you guys know what I meant.

Milena (36:59): I also want to say the faith is our belief. The faith is our belief. The more that we believe in our ability to create, the more that we believe in what the value is of what we're creating, the more that we are able to give ourselves into the process, the more faith that we can cultivate. And I mean, I just hear the song, Hope by NF.

And I truly do invite anyone that feels called to light that fire in them in relation to their dream. And ultimately your dream is going to bring you in a process of unfolding and gestation and becoming that regardless of what the outcome is, you are going to receive so much from the process. So much from the process.

Meaghan (37:32): Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Milena (37:54): That that in itself is so incredibly valuable.

Meaghan (38:00): So we want to thank you all for tuning into our episode two. We hope that you were inspired in some way, or form. And we would love, love, love to hear from you, your thoughts, your what came up for you, what was felt during the episode in the comments anywhere, or you could reach out to us. We also want to extend the invitation to join our Venusian Womb Collective , where we go even deeper into these topics.

And next episode, next Friday, we are going to be talking about the shadow. And boy, boy, boy, are we excited. We love the shadow and we have become very well acquainted with our shadows. We have lots and lots and lots of juiciness to share about it. So thank you.

Milena (38:36): Boy. I just want to say my ego does not love the shadow. My ego actually would rather not be acquaintance with the shadow, to be honest, because it's so triggering. And then my ego has to accept that I'm not perfect. I'm flawed. I'm not special. What? What? That's crazy. The humility, the humility that comes through when you meet your shadow, but also...

Meaghan (39:03): No! What?

Milena (39:13): I find that the amount of fear that just dissolves when you're finally able to see that part of you that you've been running away from, like, it's like, ⁓ this is what I've been running from. ⁓ but it's just me. And I'm able to create myself anew. I'm able to rebirth myself in any given moment. Yeah. And I just wanted to just tease a little bit, you know, because I know that it's a little bit of an edgy topic, but...

Meaghan (39:18): ... and shame.

Milena (39:43): This could also be fun. It could also be explorative. It could be a little edgy, but don't we all love a good challenge?

Meaghan (39:54): We do.

Milena (39:55): So again, inviting you to meet us here next Friday, and thank you for listening. We're so grateful to have you here.

Episode Links

Calls to Reflection and Action:

Co-create with life, not against it: Instead of trying to control outcomes, set a clear intention, feel it in your body, and then let go. Trust that what is meant for you will arrive in the right time and form.
Listen to your body’s truth: Notice how resonance and dissonance feel within you. A "full-body yes" feels open, grounded, and calm. Resistance is not wrong—it’s information that helps you realign with what’s true.
Follow what lights you up: Your Dharma is revealed through joy, curiosity, and play. Return to what makes you feel alive and let that guide your next step. Creation unfolds naturally when you move from this place of authenticity.

The Healing Practice of Grounding: Benefits, Science, and Simple Ways to Begin

Tue, 30 Sep 2025 00:56:16 GMT

In a world full of screens, deadlines, and distractions, it is easy to feel unsteady or disconnected from yourself. Many women describe this as being “in their head” rather than “in their body.” Grounding, also known as earthing, provides a means to restore balance. It is a simple practice that invites you to reconnect with the Earth’s energy and find calm inside yourself.

What Is Grounding?

But what is grounding exactly? Is there any scientific basis for it, or is it just a trend? And most importantly, can it truly support your health and wellbeing? Let’s explore both ancient wisdom and modern research, along with practical ways to get started.

Grounding is the practice of reconnecting with the Earth, both physically and energetically. Spiritually, it means centring your awareness in the present moment and creating a sense of inner stability. Physically, it often means direct contact with the Earth, such as walking barefoot on grass or sand, or lying down outdoors.

The idea of grounding is not new. Yogic traditions speak of the root chakra as a source of safety and steadiness. Indigenous cultures often include rituals that honour the land and restore balance. In modern wellness, grounding, also known as earthing, has attracted researchers interested in its potential effects on inflammation, sleep, and stress.

Although the words grounding and earthing are sometimes used in the same way, there is a difference:

Earthing refers to the physical act of connecting your body with the Earth’s surface, usually through skin contact.

Grounding also encompasses mindful and somatic practices that help anchor your awareness in the present moment.

The Science of Grounding: How It Works

The Earth carries a natural electrical charge. When your skin touches the ground, electrons flow into the body. Some scientists believe that this may help neutralize free radicals, which are associated with inflammation and various diseases.

A few studies show interesting results:

A review in the Journal of Inflammation Research (2015) suggested grounding may support sleep, reduce pain, and improve immune response.
A small pilot study found that massage therapists who practiced grounding techniques while working reported lower levels of stress and fatigue.
Other research suggests that better heart rate variability, a measure of how well the body handles stress, may be achieved.

Although these findings are promising, grounding remains a relatively young field of study. Larger, more rigorous research is needed before clear conclusions can be drawn. For now, the mix of science, tradition, and lived experience suggests grounding is a safe and worthwhile practice to explore.

Recommended Resource

If you would like to explore more stories and research about grounding, we invite you to watch The Earthing Movie: The Remarkable Science of Grounding (Full Documentary) , available for free on YouTube.

A Closing Invocation

May your feet remember the language of soil, the slow pulse beneath you that never forgets your name.

May you pause, breathe, and soften into the knowing that you belong here, not as a visitor, but as a part of the living Earth herself. With each exhale, release the noise of the day.

With each inhale, draw up the quiet strength of the ground below you. May the roots of your being spread deep and wide, carrying nourishment, steadiness, and grace into every cell.

And when you rise to walk again,
may you carry the Earth’s calm rhythm within you,
so that wherever you go, you move as one who is rooted,
awake, and whole.

Health Benefits of Grounding

1. Reduces stress and anxiety

Grounding helps calm the nervous system, shifting the body from a state of constant alertness into one of rest. Many people feel steadier and less anxious after even a few minutes spent outdoors barefoot.

2. Improves sleep

Some studies suggest grounding can help regulate circadian rhythms, making it easier to fall asleep and wake up naturally.

3. Supports physical healing

Research suggests that it may offer potential benefits, including reducing inflammation, easing muscle soreness, and promoting recovery after exercise or injury.

4. Boosts energy

Many report feeling more refreshed and awake after grounding, as if the body has “recharged.”

5. Encourages emotional balance

Grounding can help you meet challenges with more stability. For women navigating significant life transitions, it can feel like an anchor in times of change.

Who Should Try Grounding?

Grounding is simple and accessible. It can support anyone seeking more balance, presence, and energy. It may be beneficial if you:

Spend long hours indoors or on a computer.
Struggle with stress, worry, or restless sleep.
Are recovering from illness, burnout, or emotional strain.
Feel blocked creatively or unsteady emotionally.
Are moving through a significant transition in life, such as a career change or motherhood.

Grounding is generally safe, but if you use medical devices, such as pacemakers, it is best to consult a healthcare provider before using grounding mats or equipment.

Root Into Wholeness

Grounding is more than walking barefoot. It is about remembering that you are connected to the Earth, your body, and the rhythms of life. Whether you hope to improve your sleep, reduce stress, or feel more present, grounding offers a gentle path. Place your bare feet on the Earth, breathe deeply, and notice what changes inside you. At that moment, you are not only grounded. You are home.

Why More Studies Are Needed

While many people share personal stories of how grounding has changed their well-being, the science is still catching up. Current studies are limited in scope, and more evidence is needed to fully understand the range of benefits.

This does not mean grounding has no value. It simply shows the gap between modern science and ancient wisdom. Often our bodies know long before research can confirm. For now, grounding remains a free, simple, and low-risk way to support health and balance.

Types of Grounding Practices

Physical grounding (earthing):

Walking barefoot on grass, soil, or sand
Lying directly on the ground
Swimming in lakes, rivers, or the ocean
Using grounding mats or sheets indoors

Somatic and mindful grounding:

Breathing deeply while focusing on the soles of your feet
Visualizing roots extending from your body into the Earth
Practicing yoga poses like Mountain or Child’s Pose
Holding a natural object, such as a stone or a crystal, while meditating

Creative and feminine grounding:

Dancing barefoot to connect body and Earth
Journaling outside while listening to nature’s sounds
Marking the cycles of the moon or the seasons with simple rituals

These practices do more than connect you with the Earth. They also help you reconnect with your body and find harmony with your natural rhythms.

How to Begin: Tips for Everyday Grounding

Start small. Even ten minutes outdoors each day can shift your energy.
Pay attention. Notice your breath, thoughts, and body as you connect with the Earth.
Make it a ritual. Try grounding as part of your morning coffee routine, or during a short evening walk.
Change with the seasons. Explore the grounding experience in spring dew, summer sand, autumn leaves, or winter snow, if you feel adventurous.
Bring it inside. If you cannot always be outdoors, consider using grounding mats or shoes, or tending indoor plants to stay connected.

Reframing Failure

Fri, 26 Sep 2025 18:31:43 GMT

Episode Summary

In this vulnerable bonus episode of the Venusian Womb Podcast , co-hosts Milena and Meaghan pull back the curtain on their creative process to share an honest and tender moment: the night no one showed up to their live “Opening the Dream Field” call. What began as disappointment and shame transformed into a profound exploration of failure, resilience, and surrender in the creative process.

They reflect on the emotional rollercoaster of launching something you love—the excitement, the embarrassment, the worthiness wounds—and how easily we can tie our value to external success. Through open conversation and self-compassion, they reframe failure not as proof of inadequacy but as evidence of how deeply we care .

Milena and Meaghan discuss the importance of letting yourself feel it all—tantrums, tears, frustration—so you can release, recalibrate, and reconnect to your why. They emphasize that failure is not the opposite of success but a natural part of gestation —the messy, sacred process of bringing a dream to life.

Listeners are invited to see “failure” as an invitation to build resilience, refine purpose, and cultivate trust in the unfolding path. When we meet challenges with curiosity instead of self-judgment, we expand our capacity to create from authenticity and love.

The episode closes with gratitude for the listeners who are walking this journey alongside them—and an open invitation to join the Venusian Womb Collective to continue exploring, feeling, and growing together.

Key Takeaways

This episode of The Venusian Womb Podcast is available on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , and wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcript

Milena (00:58): Hello everyone, and welcome to the Venusian Womb podcast. So for this episode, this is actually an impromptu bonus episode that we just decided last minute that we were going to add to our series of episodes and transmission unfoldings. But for this one, it is inspired by our opening call for opening up the dream field which we are going to get into in a little bit of a story time. But before even diving into that. As you guys know, this is the season A Dream in Gestation and this whole podcast unfolding is really truly gestating with us in real time. So in this gestation period we've come to realize that we are actually going to be filming much more than 13 episodes.

And we've put 13 episodes in our trailer and we may have said it in the first episodes that you've watched, but I do want to share that we will be having much more episodes than 13. We will be doing some kind of bonus calls that are not based off of any particular framework that we've pre-planned for this room journey that we're taking you guys through, but it's really also just kind of in real time, what is the wisdom and the lesson that's coming through as we are also currently this stage of gestation. So yeah, Meaghan, do you want to add anything to our announcement?

Meaghan (02:26): I do. And I think it's silly that Milena and I, we had this framework and we were really excited about this plan. This plan that we were ready to stick to, to the end of time. And every single circle or event or journey we've ever gone through has always been a present in the moment thing. So the fact that we were trying to record these episodes weeks in advance of when they were really going to be released. We're noticing how that actually takes away the essence of the embodiment of what we're trying to do here.

So it was very silly that we were trying to record these themes four or five months in advance of when they were actually going to be released and then talked about in the collective because then we technically would no longer be moving through that energy. So as much as we're still going to hold the 13 episodes we had planned, we do want to make them into this programming. They might not show up in the order we planned. We're really allowing for more flexibility and fluidity in how these episodes are going to appear.

You're we're going to get to record them and you're going to get to listen to them. Then we're going to have so many practices and embodiment tools to move through those particular energies that will be dropped into the collective as we go through this. Hence, as we're in the gestation with you, this is going to be a messy plan, not a standard way of doing this and hosting this. There's going to be changes along the way, so bear with us and enjoy the ride because it's definitely a ride, it's a journey.

Milena (04:03): Yep, this is a testament to the process of gestation and also to just the surrender, the surrender in redirecting kind of where you're initially taking steps forward and also trusting, trusting in the ways that the creative process is also guiding you and showing you and listening. So we are going to get into our story time of what inspired this particular episode and I think I'm going to leave it to you, Meaghan to bring us into our story of this whole framing.

Meaghan (04:37): Okay. I want to name first the feelings that are present in exposing this. It feels very tender. I'm feeling that embarrassment. There's a bit of humiliation. There's sadness. There's anger. And there's frustration. It's like a whole jumble of feelings. It's a soup. It's a soup of feelings that Milena and I have recently navigated through. So, two nights ago, as we're recording this, this is probably going to be launched in a week from now. So whenever you're listening to this, about a week ago, we had our opening call for " Opening the Dream Field " and opening this season that we were really excited about.

Milena (05:05): Soup.

Meaghan (05:33): Oh, there's shame here too because I'm not even able to look at myself or look at you in the camera right now.

Milena (05:39): And can I just can I just add like a little side moment is that our inner child were so excited to be able to actually bring this mission forward and to be able to support people in their dreams and like witnessing each other's dreams and weaving together and just That for us is play like truly This is how we play when we are together and just being able to open that up to a greater field, to more people bringing their intention and their energy to that just just that moment in that practice so yeah just wanted to say that there is like this inner child as well that like yeah really wanted to be in that.

Meaghan (06:23): Mm-hmm. Was an exciting, something we were looking forward to. It was excitement. And we were, we prepared for our call. We talked about it and then it comes Friday, we jump on the call and no one shows up. Let's take a breath there.

Milena (06:41): Dun dun dun. Hmm.

Meaghan (06:48): And I can notice my own performance and coming in and wanting to be like, it's okay. Everything was good. We, cause even when it happened, we're like, that's fine. No problem. Let's just jump into taking this opportunity to create content. Let's create content. Let's avoid all the feelings. Let's make this productive because we're feeling like failures. We're feeling like frauds. We're feeling like what the frick are we doing? Not good. Our worthiness wound was hit so hard.

Milena (06:58): Let's create content right now. Let's this be a productive call.

Meaghan (07:16): Why aren't we good enough? Like, we did all of this work and we're not good enough. And it was a really tough pill to swallow, to sit in, especially because we tried to avoid all the feelings at first. We really were just like, I was like, let's jump in. We even tried to record a lecture and I was just, I was in tantrum. And it's so funny when I'm in tantrum, like I cannot fake it. There's no faking it till you make it when I'm tantruming. My face.

Milena (07:18): Stabbed. No.

Meaghan (07:44): Looks pissed off and Milena was like carrying the show. I'm just sitting there like I don't this is stupid like why are we even doing this like I was angry. It was very visible, so instead of continuing to try to force something to control this dream, we took time to be like "Okay, how are we actually feeling right now?"

This has nothing like we love all of you who listen and show up to our events. For those who said they were coming, like that is okay. Also are, we're really learning. This is a big opportunity to reframe. And anyways, we're going to get to that, but we wanted to really just sit with the disappointment, all the feelings, the embarrassment, the anger, the grief, the worthiness that was, yeah, like Milena said, stabbed, carved and like twisted.

And we let ourselves sit in that discomfort together. We tantrumed. And we really tantrumed. We allowed ourselves to say all the things we were thinking. And we gave full permission that, listen, we both unhinged thoughts, unhinged actions, unhinged behaviours.

Milena (08:45): Really. Even the most unhinged thoughts.

Meaghan (08:59): But we also told ourselves, we know that we don't mean this. This is just that we need to give space, a container for these feelings to be expressed so that we can move past this. And we took that time of the opening call to tantrum and to tantrum hard. We let our inner child let it all out.

This is stupid. Why are we even doing this? What's the point of any of it? This doesn't make any sense. We're wasting our time. We're wasting our energy. All the things that wanted to come out that needed to be spoken to, especially in that moment that we were trying to pretend we're not there, we gave them space to be. And in this entire process, we've realized that this is part of the dream. Hitting these moments of people are not gonna show up all the time. Usually we showed up and that's amazing. And we showed up with some really big feelings that needed to be felt, needed to be actually experienced. And in that allowing ourselves to move through it to tantrum, there was more space in our bodies.

We started to feel a bit more expansive. The resistance, all that disappointment when we felt the disappointment created space, okay, then what's available here? What is actually happening here? And like, why? Maybe like, instead of just like putting in shape, feeling all that shame towards ourselves, if we did wrong, we're bad, or we're not good enough, be like, okay, let's stop judging.

Let's put the judgment aside for a second and let's reframe this as to why? Okay, this is a Saturday night. People are maybe not gonna show up. No, it was a Friday night, not a Saturday. A Friday night. And it was at six o'clock and Milena brought a very good point. Well, people finish work at five. The chances of them gonna be wanting to like rush home and get on a call at six o'clock. Pretty freaking slim. So we started.

Milena (10:40): Friday night.

Meaghan (10:55): Reality checking ourselves and noticing that ⁓ we have we when we get excited about launching something I don't think we really fully think it through just yet and think about all the little logistics of how This might actually be the best to launch this where I mean we were trying to launch a website a collective a podcast an opening call all in the span of the same week delusional.

Milena (11:18): We're crazy. We are delusional. And there is merit and beauty in that. And I also want to add that, in all of this, if we hadn't gone through this experience, I feel we would have missed out on certain pieces of wisdom that became clear when we allowed space for our feelings to be felt. For us to like really truly be in just what was, what was in experiencing that moment and the anticipation of that moment. Also, just within that, within that space, being able to really, truly, I think just sit in the contemplation of what failure actually is.

Failure, in my perspective, has always been something that I've seen as a weakness and just like a reflection of your value or your skill in something. And it's so humbling to just kind of be a beginner in something new and have a beginner's mind and just kind of go into it and to allow yourself to be messy and just getting that. Perfectionism and that critic out of the way to be able to be present with just that newness, this new territory.

I feel like when we're able to actually sit with failure, this is when we can actually open ourselves up to being more of a beginner and to trying new things and to having the curiosity to be able to step into our dreams openly and wholeheartedly and to give ourselves to the process and knowing that when you love something and you're creating from this place of deep love and care and expression of yourself, it's coming from within yourself, it's gonna be something that it's gonna feel tender when it's not received by the people that you would want it to be received by, or just like to be seen, to be shared, and to be witnessed.

And it's really just part of that process of refining that value that you see within your creation, and also refining the strength of your vision of what is your why, and why are you bringing this dream forward? And this is something that, in sitting with why are we doing this, what's the point of this, and just... allowing that to be expressed even though that's not our full truth It's just a part of what was present in that moment and a part of what is in this like greater tapestry of who we are and what's present within ourselves in this whole inner universe.

It's like that's a part of it and that needs to have expression and to be like held and witnessed and also released. And it's in that process where it connects you back to your why. It's like the why am I doing this? Why am I putting energy to nurture something that I feel so deeply within myself holds value that I am meant to share that is moving through me.

And it's like in that in that sitting with that, like in that contemplation that arises from failure, this is where we're really able to just come back into alignment with our why, with our heart, with what's driving us. And that's also something that can kind of be this fuel to the fire within you. From this place of intensity because I care, how can I readjust? How can I collect data? How can I create something that has wisdom and value from this space? And like for us, it's coming on here and recording this podcast episode right now, because failure is something that is inevitable. It's inevitable in the process of creation. It's inevitable in the process of bringing your dream into reality, especially when you are trailblazing your own path.

When you don't have all of these points of references around you of how can you bring your dream forward in the world and where can you derive support from? It's like you really got to be in it in the way, trusting that the way knows the way, trusting that the path will present itself to you as you take steps forward and along that path are the people that are meant to support you.

It's the opportunities that are meant to find you. It's the lessons and experiences that you have to go through to be able to even truly embodied in an embodied way, understand these lessons that are going to support you as you bring your dream forward in all of these moments of adversity and challenge and doubt and fear and hardship. These are the moments that make you stronger and refine your why and allow you to really, truly commit and dig deeper for something that is valuable.

Meaghan (16:06): As you were speaking, the thing I just had in my head is in this space when we were in this disappointment and feeling all that, we came back to this mantra. So we were realizing we really feel, we feel like failures right now. And we just spoke out loud a couple of times.

Yes, we feel like we're if we fail, I think it was this isn't failure. This is just the feeling that we care. And we said that multiple times. And allowing ourselves to like really feel into how much we care about this, which is why we're feeling so shitty about it, not manifesting the way we desired or hoped. Excuse me. And that was a really grounding statement that we used as we were moving through these feelings and this energy and also realizing how

There is a big part of both of us. I mean, I'll speak for me, I don't want to speak for you, but I think that we're both experiencing the same thing, that our worthiness is still tied to our accomplishments, to our successes, to the things that we achieve. when it doesn't, it's not perceived that we're achieving it. That's a really big blow to our self-confidence, our self-esteem and just the worth and the value.

That's why we had to focus on our why, focus on why are we doing this? Why is this valuable to us, not to anyone else, because at the end of the day it really doesn't matter if anyone shows up or not, because we believe in this work so much that we're gonna keep showing up even if no one shows up, because we get so much value out of it and we love doing this. We didn't love doing it then, that was part of the tantrum, we didn't love doing it in that moment, but in the greatest

Milena (17:41): Okay. But in the whole process.

Meaghan (17:47): The whole process, and this is part of the process. This is part of gestating the dreams. This is part of when you have something so big, a vision, something you want to bring into this world, it's not going to be daisies and butterflies and unicorns. The path is not going to look straight. It's going to be a spiral. It's going to go up and down. You might go down for a bit. You might come back up and you are going to learn and grow as a person. And your dream is going to grow in ways that you could have never imagined if these things don't happen.

And there was something really beautiful Milena had shared when we were going through all this is she had, I think it was in a podcast or something you listened to that there was a father who would ask his kids every day, what did you fail at today? And it was so like checking, ⁓ right? We're not going to highlight the successes. We're not going to highlight the things that are validating you in your day. Let's highlight the things that are pushing you to grow, that are pushing you to course correct.

That are pushing you to not tie your worth on anything external yourself, but rather internally. And I thought that was such a beautiful reframe for us in that moment of like, okay, so this is what I feel that today. I failed hard at this today. But that doesn't mean anything about my character, who I am as a person, the creation we've created.

We had a beautiful circle. I still stand by that circle was a beautiful circle, whether nobody showed up and it hasn't been done, it was a beautiful circle and the lessons and the practices and everything that was part of it is going to be still useful information that we could drop into the collective. Yes, we did do it. We did our circle. We did it not the way it was planned, but we still did the circle. There was a lot of tantruming, disappointment, refining our why, dream mapping that still happened in a different format.

Milena (19:25): We did it. We did our circle. And it was wonderful.

Meaghan (19:41): Which I think is also the lesson we're learning in recording this podcast, things are not gonna be flowing the way we intend them to. They're gonna be flowing in the way they're meant to.

Milena (19:50): I do want to add is that in this whole process of gestation of bringing the dream into some type of manifested form is that failure really becomes just this process of building resilience. And this is a, this is truly a human asset. It's a skill, it's a practice to be able to continuously move forward and take steps and stay open in the face of adversity, in the face of failure. And this is really where true resilience is formed. And it is within that where it's like,

You could, and I tend to come back to this and I don't know why I say it and I say it in a very exaggerated way, but it's like you could have everything that you've always thought of, that you've always wanted, get it all and then lose it all and you can still gain it back. Why? Because of who you are. Because of the skills, like the innate capacity that you have created from within yourself. And resilience is one of those skills that will take you so far in life when you are able to really refine this within yourself and to develop the skills, the tools, the resources to be able to support you to move forward so that upon adversity, you're not folding.

And you don't have to freeze, thaw in flight, right? Like you're able to stay present with it. And you're able to give yourself the time and space to slow down, to integrate, to sometimes, know, tantrum and be in the expression of it, but then move forward. It's like, how can we move forward in a way that is at least grasping some form of lesson or understanding or refinement, adjusting moving forward. And that's

Meaghan (21:22): Yeah, you're not collapsing. Mm.

Milena (21:52): Is one of those things that we are here to truly teach and guide and also continue to learn and embody within ourselves because this is what's going to take you to that dream again and again and again in any dream that you are dreaming it is this resilience and this faith and this surrender it's all of these different parts of the same one which is just being in the creative process

Meaghan (22:01): Hmm. I do want to add that part. Of that resilience of being resilient is and holding your feelings holding yourself and not collapsing into the shame, the fawning or any of those fight or flight responses is to extend self compassion to yourself is to extend the compassion and love that, I'm human. like, these feelings are pretty natural and normal for the event that has just occurred. And that is going to support and kind of be underneath that resilience for you to be able to experience what as you're experiencing and not hold on to it, cling to it for dear life and then move on and then learn the lessons you're meant to learn and move forward.

Milena (23:01): Yeah, honestly, I feel like that's the most encompassing way of just explaining this whole process of really truly experiencing failure and deeply sitting with it and the messengers that are within it,

Yeah, just having compassion, having grace also with the process of realizing that when you're starting something new, when you're starting to take steps forward along the path, it's going to be messy action and it's not going to look the way that you may want it to or may hope or expect it to. that's also part of the humbling process of it is letting go of control in each of those moments and having those all be an opportunity for greater surrender it.

Resilience and continuing to move forward in faith for what you are creating. And I do want to, you know, just send an invitation for anyone that is facing any type of failure in their life right now, or just some setbacks or adversity in terms of being able to bring your dream to life and to continue nurturing it is really... taking a moment and sitting with the dream and feeling into your heart, feeling into your why, feeling into what is this anchor that lives within you that is keeping you walking in this path of creation and continuing to nurture this dream from within yourself.

And also within that, letting go, letting go of any control of how this dream is manifesting, of the when, of the why that comes from within it and how it's going to come into form and... when we let go of all of those things, we're able to really step into this place of receptivity and openness and surrender and trusting that whatever comes in this path of creation, that you can show up and trust yourself to have the resilience and adaptability to know how to move forward in a way that best serves you and best serves this dream. And this is one of those things that this is going to develop such a deep feeling of trust within yourself as you go through this process.

Meaghan (25:21): I think it's so lovely how integrated we are on this compared to two nights ago. Let me tell you, we were not talking about it like this two nights ago at all. And that also just speaks, yeah, this speaks to the process of failure, of allowing ourselves to build our resilience and be with the feelings, be with it all, and move forward.

Milena (25:36): I had a horrible day yesterday.

Meaghan (25:54): And not take it as a hit to anything but a learning opportunity, an opportunity for growth of, what are the lessons? Okay, Friday nights might not be a good time. And also we have learned that let's check in with our community. What do you guys want? What times do you want? What are your needs? And that's gonna help us inform and know what steps to be taking moving forward as opposed to kind of just shooting in the dark and hoping we're gonna land on the bullseye.

Milena (26:21): Mm hmm. Well, on that note, I'm feeling complete.

Meaghan (26:28): Mmhmm.

Milena (26:30): And I do just want to say thank you. Thank you for witnessing the messy action. Thank you for witnessing the failures.

As we go through this journey in just such a raw and authentic and embodied way and just allowing ourselves to be witnessed for the sake of also showing all of you guys, you know, that this is part of the process of gestation and we are in it with you. Like we are really truly here supporting and guiding from this place of also being in it and weaving our own dreams and having you all witness that. And I think that there's something really special when we allow

Meaghan (26:58): Mm-hmm.

Milena (27:09): When we allow ourselves and what lights us up to be shared and witnessed by each other. And so, you know, we're here to celebrate your dreams. We're here to support you in weaving your dreams and also getting clear of what that is or what that looks like. And beyond that, we're here to be in the process of bringing the dream forward with you because it can feel crunchy sometimes.

And I'm so grateful that we have each other and it's like, we're here for you guys.

Meaghan (27:34): Very crunchy. Mm-hmm. So on that note...

We would love to invite you into our Venusian Womb Collective where we go deeper with all of this. We will be having two months for free until November 19th for anyone who subscribes to our newsletter to come and join our collective , where we're going to drop practices.

We're going to go deeper with these themes and we're going to be really asking questions and listening to what is it you guys need? What do you want from us? What would be supportive? What would be more helpful as we're moving through these energies because we're we're learning as we go to and we want to know how to best serve all of you as we're supporting you and your dreams as well. So that being said, thanks for listening to this episode. See you next time.

Milena (28:24): Thank you. See you next time.

Episode Links

Calls to Reflection and Action:

Let yourself feel it all: When disappointment or failure arises, resist the urge to fix or suppress it. Create space to tantrum, cry, or express the unfiltered emotions that you want to move through you. Your feelings are data, not proof that you’re failing.
Reclaim your “why”: When things don’t go as planned, return to your heart. Ask yourself why this dream matters to you, not for validation or results, but for the joy, growth, and authenticity it brings to your life.
See failure as devotion: Each setback is a sign that you care deeply. Use it as a chance to build resilience, refine your vision, and trust that every detour is part of your dream’s gestation. The path is never linear; it’s a spiral of learning and becoming.

What if Your Soul Isn’t Whispering—But Screaming?

Fri, 26 Sep 2025 02:06:35 GMT

Episode Summary

In this episode of the Venusian Womb podcast, co-hosts Milena and Meaghan delve into the theme of intuition —what it is, how we experience it, and how it guides the gestation of our dreams before they become a reality.

They explore intuition as an inner knowing that transcends logic, a conversation with the soul that whispers—or sometimes screams—our truth. Through stories, reflections, and embodied practices, they illustrate how intuition arises in the body, through senses and subtle cues, and how fear or doubt can cloud it.

A major focus is the “Clairs” of intuition —the many ways intuitive insight shows up:

Clairvoyance (clear seeing) through visions or dreams.
Clairsentience (clear feeling) as emotions or sensations.
Claircognizance (clear knowing) is an undeniable inner truth.
Clairaudience (clear hearing) of words, sounds, or melodies.
In addition to the less-discussed senses, such as clairalience (smell), clairgustance (taste), and clairtangency (touch).

The hosts emphasize that these gifts are unique to each person and can be strengthened through practice, presence, and daily rituals. They highlight interoception —the body’s inner awareness—as a key bridge to embodied intuition and a reminder that our bodies, not just our minds, hold wisdom.

Throughout, they connect intuition to the theme of gestation : dreams begin as subtle inner nudges, gestating in the unseen, much like a child in the womb. By listening to intuition, tending to the “dream before the dream,” and building a relationship with the womb as a source of guidance, we prepare for dreams to take form fully.

The episode concludes with simple practices for cultivating intuition, including grounding in nature, breathwork, body scans, creative flow, and self-check-ins, and an invitation to deepen this work within the Venusian Womb Collective .

Key Takeaways

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Transcript

Milena (00:55): Hello everyone, and welcome to episode one of the Venusian Womb podcast. We are so grateful to have you join us here. This episode is going to be what if your soul isn't whispering but screaming. And so we're going to be talking about the dream before the dream. Some things that we're going to go through today is what is intuition?

What are the "clairs" of intuition? So, what are the ways that we actually receive our own intuition? What is embodied intuition? How can we connect even deeper to this inner knowing through our embodiment? How this applies to gestating the dream and how to practice connecting to intuition when we are weaving our dream into manifested reality.

So before we dive on in, I'm going to pass it off to Meaghan who's going to drop us into this episode.

Meaghan (01:53): I'm gonna invite all of you to gently just close your eyes here. Take a deep breath into your bodies. Call all parts of yourself back to this moment. Turning your attention inwards. And if it feels supportive, can place a hand on your belly, your heart. And noticing any areas of tension or tightness and just releasing with the out-breath. So breathing in.

And release. If there's any little shakes or wiggles that come through, some stretching. And just taking some time here to attune to yourself, specifically to attune to your body. To notice what it feels like if you're holding your belly or your chest, the warmth of your own touch. If there's any smells in the space around you.

Listening to the sound of my voice, maybe the sound of a dog's collar. Landing here in your body as you're listening to this episode today and just affirming to yourself, I am here, I am whole, and I am listening.

You're ready you can open your eyes. Welcome.

Milena (03:54): Thank you so much for dropping us in.

And so now that you are here with us and hopefully feeling much more embodied in this present moment, more connected to your somatic senses, more connected to yourself, we are going to talk about something that is so deeply personal to every individual and that is intuition. And so when we say intuition, this is truly, it's the ability to connect to something that is deep within yourself. Think of this almost as a reclamation of truth that goes beyond the logical mind. It goes beyond your own personal ego desires. There is almost this guidance that comes through intuition that leads us.

It's often that some people will say that it's almost like speaking to your higher self and having this part of you guide you and lead you exactly to the experiences, to the people, to the places that you are meant to encounter and experience to be able to learn the lessons to then go forward into the unfolding of your life and your dream. And so when we talk about intuition, it's almost this gut feeling.

There is this inner knowing where again there is no concrete evidence sometimes for what your intuition is leading you to, but it just feels like this deep, have to do this. Or I don't know how, but I know that this feels meaningful for me.

And when we allow ourselves to actually surrender to what our intuition is saying and where this guidance is leading us without questioning it with the logical mind, this is where we are actually able to open ourselves up more to receiving this guidance from our soul, from our higher self, from, if we want to say, from the universe, from God, whatever it is that feels most alive in terms of what is communicating to you.

We could also have our spirit guides come through as well. These can be ancestors that have passed. These can be whatever other guides or deities that you may be connecting to as well that can also come through in your intuition as guidance. And it's important to be able to build this somatic awareness of understanding how it comes through in our body.

Understanding with our mind, building the discernment of knowing what is coming from a place of mind and what is coming from a place of inner knowing and self beyond the mind.

Meaghan (06:49): Hmm, I think a huge question a lot of people have is how? How do I connect to my intuition? Like that sounds lovely. But how do you do it? And kind of like what we just did, like when we land you all at the beginning of these episodes, that's just self-attunement. And when we're attuning to ourselves, we're attuning to our intuition, to our internal world, and to what's going on and what's being communicated to us.

And attunement is simply just presence, presence with yourself, listening to the feelings that are in your body, to the emotions that might be present, to the sensations that might be indicating something. And you can really only hear that when you slow down and listen to yourself and attune to yourself. It's kind of like adjusting. Your frequency to like a radio station like a particular channel and knowing how to adjust yourself to the particular channel to sense what is coming for you and through you ⁓ and picking up on your own intuition.

So that is how you access your intuition, which we're definitely going to be covering much, much, more in this episode. And it's also the very specific connection that we have to our senses, to all of them. And there are seven senses, eight senses. So everyone knows the basic ones are sight, our hearing, our smelling, our tasting, our touching. But there's also three others that are not commonly spoken about, but are as important, which we have vestibular is the scientific name, but that just means balance, how we feel balanced.

Proprioception is the awareness of where our body is in space. And interoception, which I think this is a newer sense that has been discovered and research is starting to talk a lot more about it. But it's the inner sensation of what we're feeling inside, like the cues that are coming from within us, which sounds very intuition-like, if you ask me. So that is how we sense our intuition. It's really through our bodies, our senses. And what's going on internally, not externally.

Milena (09:15): Feel like I do want to add to that as well of, you know, the more that we practice connecting to ourselves in such an embodied and present way, the more that we get better at it and the stronger that our intuition comes through.

And I feel like a great way to actually start to practice this, because it's like a muscle, you know, you have to strengthen it, is to carve out some intentional time in your day to connect to your embodied experience and just what is without needing to change it, without judging it, just allowing your body to speak to you and just taking moments to listen.

And the more that you actually give yourself this dedicated time to connect, the more that you're going to find that it's easier to be able to just drop into connection throughout your day. Even in just little moments of just taking a small pause before you go on and do the next thing and just checking in with yourself and seeing what's present and if there's any guidance that's coming through in terms of how to move forward.

Meaghan (10:24): I love that you say that because it's so supportive for transitions in the day, like you said, and just establishing ritual, and even more than routine, I was going to say routine, but it really is a ritual and having I mean, we love routine as humans having a predictable thing that's going to get us going in our day. And when we have these set times when we're connected, intentionally connecting to ourselves. And an example could be when you're having breakfast, like having an embodied slow breakfast where you're engaging, you're engaging so many of your senses when you're doing that.

It's like the morning, you're still maybe waking up, and then you're slowly eating your food smells good, you're tasting it, you could touch it if you're someone that likes to touch your food. And then that brings in that really intentionalized ritual of this practice that you're bringing in that doesn't have to feel like you're setting aside, ooh, I'm going to practice my attunement or my embodiment or connecting to my intuition in a particular way it can really just be in your everyday life activities.

Okay, this is my time that I'm gonna practice Connecting to my intuition with a normal everyday thing that I typically do but with more intention.

Milena (11:34): Yeah, I feel like to even add another example, hopefully this is supportive to just give people some invitations. These are all invitations, see what works for you. But something that I found was very helpful for me as a practice was to pull Oracle cards for my month. And the beauty of that is that, you know, there's so many ways that you can pull these cards. The way that I feel connected to do that is I usually I'll just I'll ask my question of whatever guidance comes through, and then I shuffle.

And usually there are some cards that will just fall out of the deck. And those are immediately, I'm like, okay, those are the ones that are coming through. And sometimes there's moments where there's like 10 of them that come out. I'm like, okay, my card is somewhere in these 10 cards that have fallen out. Now let me hone into specifically which ones are for this reading. And what I'll do is I'll place them all right side down and then I'll hover my hand.

I'll just give myself a moment to feel into my senses. So I notice, is there any tingling in my hand? Is there any temperature changes? Sometimes I hover over a card and my hand gets so hot and I'm like, ⁓ this is the one. So there's so many little cues. Sometimes I just become fixated on a specific card and I don't know why, but I just, I'm like, is the one, not because I'm... perhaps feeling anything in my hand, but I just, there's just a knowing that this is the one that I have to pick.

You know, so sometimes it's just truly, there's, there's a trust that you build with yourself as you're connecting to your intuition. That's so important. And this is the discernment. It's the discernment of knowing what's coming again from this channel. What's coming from a place within yourself beyond mind and what's maybe coming from this more rational, logical mind. Space.

Meaghan (13:28): I love that you added that. love that, especially because it really highlights that how we each connect to our intuition is so different. And that one day it might be that your body's like, we're tingling today to tell you what's going on. Another day it's like, no, no, no, like we're going to very like highlight with your eyes. Like, let's see, let's like pinpoint like airplane landing strip right there. And then sometimes it's temperature and it could change, it could fluctuate. Sometimes it's nothing.

Milena (13:51): And sometimes it's nothing. Sometimes you're just like, hmm, which one? Because I'm not really feeling anything right now, you know? And that's just the moment where it's just choose. Just choose whichever one you feel in that moment. And that's the one that's meant to be. And I feel like this also leads us so perfectly into our next section within this, which are introducing the Clairs This is a beautiful way. It's an incredible framework that I think most of us have maybe heard about.

About what are the ways, what are the different ways that we receive intuitive hits through these different clairs. So we're going to start with the ones that are the most common. So we have clairvoyance. These are, this naturally translates to clair seeing.

And oftentimes with this form of intuition, this is where we can see visuals, we can see images, we can see colours. Sometimes we are able to see an actual timeline that is in the past or in the future. And these are all insights and visions that we receive through our third eye. So another way that we can also receive clairvoyance is through our dreams in the dream realm. These are also visions. This is us stepping into the astral realm and receiving guidance and cues through our dreams. And this is why dream interpretation is also so incredibly important within trying to discern what your intuition is speaking to you.

Meaghan (15:27): And I have a lot of experience with ⁓ clair seeing Claire Vizsha, with Claire Voyance. It's interesting because in this current moment, I don't feel as connected to it because it's not my main Claire that I work with anymore. This used to be my only way that I connected to my intuition. It made me feel very ungrounded though, because I was not, it didn't feel like it was coming from my body, but more from this external source.

But visions for me were, I would just get like pictures sometimes of things like a frog on a lily pad or I'd just see like a grandmother doing something. And then when I would just share, like I wouldn't have any context when I would get my visions. Like there was not, it wasn't a story that was necessarily playing. was images, like standstill images. And I'd always be hesitant to like, oh my do I even share this? Cause like, I have no idea what this has to do with.

Really couldn't tell you any context, but most of the time I would share and someone would start crying. And I'm like, what does this mean to you? Because I have no idea. And just interesting, I did have a vision recently when I was doing an energy healing and I saw it was just this old man. No, it wasn't an old man. I knew it was a man, but it was like shifting between an older man and a younger man. And he was just fishing. And there was just this sense of peacefulness.

And I had no idea what this had to do with anything, but it was so clair. I'm like, I can't not say it. So I told my client and she was like, yeah, my boyfriend is going fishing with his dad this weekend. And I was like, that's crazy. I was like, lovely. That's so cool. I'm like, I couldn't have told you that that's what I saw. I just said that I saw a man fishing. So that's how my clairvoyance comes. It's really stand still images that

Milena (17:10): Mm, goosebumps.

Meaghan (17:25): Guide or I can't even say guide because I don't really know what they mean a lot of the times I just lean on them for whatever guidance or support they're meant to be for whoever's meant to hear them if I saw them and if it resonates if it doesn't then disregard.

Milena (17:39): I have a story time. And I'm really curious to see who relates to this because I feel like we all have at least one experience like this. This is, this is when I was a child and I had clairvoyance and didn't know what it was and hadn't been spiritually initiated into understanding spirit and understanding energy and our capacity to connect to this energetic realm.

Meaghan (17:42): Go...

Milena (18:08): So I was at my mom's friend's house. We're just having a casual family friend dinner. know, people brought food, there's music playing. I remember we were at my mom's friend's apartment and it was a two story apartment. So the party's happening in the main floor and the bedrooms are upstairs and it's like the bedrooms and maybe an office and then a bathroom. So I remember I went upstairs to go to the bathroom.

Because everything was already busy and used downstairs, whatever. I go upstairs, I'm by myself, and as I'm going up the stairs, it's dark, so I didn't turn on any of the lights because there's just natural light coming from the street. And as I go up the stairs, I have to walk down this hallway to get to the bathroom.

And to give you some context of layout, I have to walk past all of these different bedrooms, the doors are open and they have windows. So this is important because it's dark, but there is still some type of natural light coming through. So there's almost this contrast of darkness in some light. And as I'm walking to the bathroom, this bathroom has no mirrors, sorry, no windows, I mean, and I look in and there's a figure of a man. There's a very clearly distinguished figure of a man with a hat.

And there was no man with a hat at this party. And I remember my whole body getting so hot and being like, there's an intruder in this house. There's an intruder in this house. Like, we're not safe. Who is this person? And I ran, I ran downstairs to tell my mother. I was like, Mom, Mom, this is an emergency right now. We need to get someone upstairs because there's someone that came into this house.

Meaghan (19:27): You? Hahaha. 9-1-1.

Milena (19:53): And we go upstairs and there's no one there. And there's no one there. And I just remember how incredibly afraid I was in that moment, especially because I was in the dark and I was just like, what else is in the dark? What else is in the shadows that I can't see? And from that day, there was just this fear of the dark that I developed, where anytime I was in a dark room, I was like, my God, is there going to be a shadow man in here with me?

Meaghan (20:05): Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes, scanning for the hat. Where's the hat? Where's the hat? Yeah.

Milena (20:24): Scanning for the hat and I was so interesting because logically in that moment right I didn't know I didn't I didn't know anything about spirit or energy at that time so I was I was scanning the the windows and seeing if any of them were open like again no one made a big deal about it I was basically told like okay that's your imagination honey

Meaghan (20:43): Under the rug, yeah.

Milena (20:44): And it was swept under the rug and it was such a critical moment that developed so much fear for me. And it was really the fear of the unknown. It was because of the fact that I couldn't mentally understand what was happening. And I find that when the mind can't understand something sometimes it tends to freak out. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't know. I don't know what this is. So I'm scared of it now.

And I do want to say that fear is one of those things that can block these intuitive senses. So when we have... Go ahead.

Meaghan (21:16): I would even say, yeah, no go ahead.

It clouds, it clouds it. makes like, that discernment is not clair. There's no clarity. There's like a misty fog when there's fear. Cause I love how you said that we get scared of it. And then when we're scared of things, we pull away. We want to run. Like our nervous system is literally activated. We're in fight or flight. So there's nothing that we're perceived. What we're perceiving isn't actually what is real. Anyways, I just wanted to add that.

Milena (21:45): Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And I do like that because rather than this, this very clair block, I do like that. It's more so just, it's just a cloud. It's just, it's just clouded. It's not that it's not, it's not that it's not on or it's not communicating with you, but you just see it less clearly.

And so we're going to go on to our next one, which is clair sentience. Some people say clair empathy, and this is really a clair feeling. So this is for a lot of our highly sensitive individuals, a lot of our empaths here that can feel the emotions of what another person is feeling. And sometimes that is something that doesn't even require any active engagement with a person. Just by being in the same room as a person, you notice your energy shift.

And this is one of those things that we can feel as an emotion in our body. We can feel it as an energy. Sometimes we feel it as like an actual physical sensation where I'm feeling the pain that another person is experiencing. And this is one of those things that the more we become aware of this clair sentience, the more we can also learn how to protect ourselves.

And what that means is to have this gift of feeling while also honouring what you need to be able to regulate and to come back to your own personal experience when you're in environments that have a lot of energy and a lot of people.

Meaghan (23:13): Of feelings. And I do want to add, really, feel these are all, all these sense, ⁓ the clair sense, clair senses, these ways of connecting to our intuition, they're all they can be developed. They can be the yes, I think each of us are maybe more inclined to be connected to one or two or three. But every single one of these can be developed. And especially when it comes to clair sentience, I see this as a bit the end of the skill of empathy.

Of connecting to others and understanding, not necessarily agreeing with their experience or any of that, but feeling their experiences theirs, whether or not you've had that same experience or not. We all experience emotions. And if there's one thing that we can truly connect on is the emotion or the feeling that we've had based off of an experience. So it might not be the story, it might not be what actually happened to the person, but feeling what that person experienced during whatever it is that happened and the emotion that is there, that's what we are connecting on. And I think a lot of this piece of like, clair sentience is also co-regulating with someone, like being in presence. And again, it comes back to this attunement, attuning to the person in front of you, attuning to yourself so that you can discern what's theirs and what's mine, but also sit and be like, wow, what's coming up for you? Like, I feel that, like when you shared that, like I felt.

That heaviness in my chest, and that was sadness. And this is something that can 100 % be developed. I think we're in our society and again, we live here, we're taught to live here, be productive and do all of that. But being in the bodies, being in the feelings can be learned and it can reconnect us to ourselves and to each other.

Milena (25:02): I do also want to say that I feel for myself a way that I tried to shut off this Claire specifically was by avoiding eye contact with people because I feel that having clair eye contact with someone would sometimes feel overwhelming.

Meaghan (25:14): Mm-hmm.

Milena (25:22): Because I just feel just overcome with all of these different emotions that they were experiencing. Especially people that I just random strangers that I see on the street and there are specific people where I can see their energy and I know that in that moment I don't want to connect to that energy and that those are the moments that I just will avoid eye contact.

And it doesn't mean not looking at a person or not addressing them, but you can look right above their eyes and not need to look at their eyes. And I find that that's a helpful way of just being able to direct perhaps this connection and this empathy that you may feel towards other people. If you're one of those people that are in a situation and you're feeling a bit overstimulated, overwhelmed, then this is a helpful ⁓ tip.

Meaghan (26:15): Especially because you never have to do something you don't want to do. Like if you don't want to look into someone's eyes and you just want to, I love that tip that like look up here or just divert your attention a little bit.

Milena (26:15): Mm-hmm, and they don't know like people don't actually notice that often So it's yeah, was a very helpful tip ⁓ that was told to me ⁓

Meaghan (26:35): Beautiful boundaries for yourself. Beautiful.

Milena (26:39): So I'm going to bring us into our next one, which is clair cognizance. And this is clair knowing. This is really truly just this unexplainable gut feeling that you have within yourself. It is so incredibly undeniable of how you know. In times there is absolutely zero mental explanation for why you you just have this knowing and something that Megan and I will play with is this it's like a delusion you know we're just like we're just being delulu because no one else gets it but it...

Meaghan (27:18): We feel it, we know it.

Milena (27:19): But we feel it, we feel it so strongly that I can't not follow that intuition. But does it feel absolutely delusional sometimes? Yes, especially when you're trying to explain it to someone and they're just like, but can you explain it through the mind? Like where is the logical reasoning behind? And it's there isn't sometimes, most times there's zero.

Meaghan (27:25): Mm-mm. There's none. Doesn't exist.

Milena (27:48): Yep.

Meaghan (27:51): Alright, I don't have, yeah, clair knowing. It's just like this knowing. I'm freezing, I think. Is it freezing on your end?

Milena (27:57): There you go. You're back.

Meaghan (28:02): But yeah, don't have much more to add about the clair knowing because it really just is a felt sense of, yep, this is truth for me. And I couldn't tell you why, but I know that this feels in alignment in my heart, in my gut, in my soul. And that's all I have to say about it. And there is nothing that needs to be said about it because again, it's a felt sense. There's nothing to explain. It's just this knowing inside of you.

Milena (28:11): Yep. So for any of you that are delulu about the dream, we are with you and we also get it because every single person that created something from scratch that came from within themselves from this deeper place of knowing

It all started with a dream that they wholeheartedly believed in, even in moments that they had no rational, logical evidence that it would even manifest, that it was valuable. There was still this inner push and this inner motivation in knowing that it had to be brought forward. And this is where so many of these beautiful creations that we've been able to experience have come from.

So we're gonna go on to our next one, which is clair salience This is not one that I am too well familiar with, but it is clair smelling. So these are moments where you receive information through sense of smell. You might be outside and just all of a sudden feel that you're smelling peppermint, but there's no peppermint around you. Or you smell maybe like cigarette or tobacco smoke.

And you're indoors and no one's smoking. And these are definitely moments where your intuition is speaking to you and there may be some type of spirit that is present around you that may have an association to that scent.

Meaghan (29:56): I actually had an experience with this. was not, was like shaking my head like I have no experience with this, but I did, cause I didn't, I've always associated to being a spirit or something trying to connect with me. But the other day I'm in a long-distance relationship and I just felt like I smelt my partner, like just his smell, like his natural body odour. And I felt like sadness cause I'm like, there's no way he's seven hours away by plane right now. Like, how can I be smelling this? And

It was just like this connection to him and I haven't told him yet, but I'm wondering like, were we thinking about each other in that moment? Or was he thinking about me? And that was way that just through the web of connection of consciousness that we connected. And I thought that was a really sweet moment. So that could also be a way that you experience your clair salience smelling things that remind you or that are connected to people in your life.

Milena (30:50): Yeah, it's definitely one that not a lot of people talk about, but it is very much present. so, yeah, also very curious if anyone has experienced clair smelling of any kind in a way that, you know, felt undeniable. And so going on to our next one is clair audience. This is clair hearing. This is a sense of hearing and detecting information through your ears. This can be ringing in your ears. This can be a word.

Sometimes for myself, this is a very active form of Claire and I connect to this through sound healing. So I literally hear melodies in myself, in my... it kind of feels like it's in my mind, like it's like through my inner ears, but I hear actually the vocal toning that I then do in that moment.

And it's so interesting to be able to be in the moment, be receiving this intuition and then to try to replicate it with the tools that I have at my disposal in that moment, whether those are my instruments or my voice. And there's definitely times where I'm called to make sounds that I'm just like, my God. ⁓ my God. This is one not really what I feel would be relaxing in this moment.

Or two, what if my voice cracks? You know, like there's just, but it's exactly what needs to come through. And when I just allow myself to get out of the way and just get out of the mind and just let myself be in the intuitive guidance, it always just comes through exactly as it's meant to. There is no voice cracks. There is no squeaks. There is no person waking up just like, whoa, why did you do that? Like truly it is all informing itself and it's really beautiful to receive confirmation from the sense, especially when you are musically connected. I find that connecting with music is one of those things that opens up this clair a lot more.

Meaghan (33:01): I love that. I had shivers the entire time you're talking about that, especially being someone that's experienced the transmissions, the channeling, the you connecting to this Claire. Yeah, it's interesting because I've never really, I've never known this is something new I've just discovered about you. I didn't know that that's how you do your magic. So that's really cool. I'm glad I got to hear that piece.

Milena (33:22): Yeah, it's developing, it's developing. It's so interesting because this is a new, this is a new Claire for me. This is not something that I had experienced before. And so yeah, it's very interesting to see how utilizing these instruments and doing sound healing in a way that is so stream of consciousness, it just starts to open up this channel.

So we're going to go into our next one. This is clair gustance This is clair tasting. So it's basically tasting the ability to taste something without any actual physical stimuli. So often it's something that we may even just be experiencing through our mind of what that sensation of taste is provoking within us.

I personally don't have too much experience with this one, I think.

Meaghan (34:15): This one I have zero experience with. really couldn't, I have nothing to add. like, I know the definition. I know of some people that have, but it's, yeah, it's one of them, but it's not something I've ever experienced before.

Milena (34:22): But it's definitely one of them. And our last one is clair tangency. So this is clair touch. So involves perceiving information through touch, such as sensing the energy or the history of objects or people. I feel like with this, goosebumps are definitely one of those things where it's like, it's hard because goosebumps I feel like may fall within clair sentience or clair tangency, is the clair touch.

But ultimately, it's just this resonance in your body that you feel through, you feel through the skin, your actual physical body. Sometimes I've definitely felt like a hug, a hug from a spirit before. And it's not that there's this like indenting or imprint in my skin, but there's almost this like, force around me that I just feel is just kind of like holding me rather than like gripping and squeezing me. So it's not as much pressure but it's definitely more of this feeling of yeah just this this presence.

Meaghan (35:42): It's interesting because I have a very opposite experience. I'm literally my whole, I've noticed my, started shallow breathing. I felt like I had to grab my, I have a big boundary with my clair tangency. I don't like being touched. I have had very uncomfortable experiences with energies in the past that have touched me. And it's very strong. I've strongly set that into the field. Nothing is allowed to touch me.

And I do want to speak to setting boundaries with your clair senses that if there's something that makes you uncomfortable, that you do not like, that you do not want to receive information through, you have the right, the literal right to state out loud, I do not want to receive information this way. And I think that's really important to reclaim your own sovereignty within this and that you have complete, I don't want to use the word control, but

Milena (36:38): Autonomy.

Meaghan (36:39): Autonomy over your body at all times. And yeah, my whole body was collapsing as you started talking about it, because I'm like, I don't like this, Claire, like, I don't like being touched by something I can't see by something I don't know that's touching me. It feels very invasive and uncomfortable. ⁓ So I do want to speak to the boundaries that can be very present when it comes to our senses. And yeah, hold on, I'm just gonna, that came through.

Milena (37:08): Mm-hmm. I also do want to say as well that, you know, can also, we can either protect ourselves from any of these clairs that we may be experiencing in any moment. And this is where our sovereignty comes in. This is where our conviction comes in. And we can also open ourselves up more. If it is something that we want to connect with, if we do feel that we are in the presence of the spirit that is familiar to us, or if we're actually doing a ritual or having a moment of presence to connect to something specifically, then again, if you set that as an intention, these clairs will be more open and you'll be more receptive to this energy. But if not, or if you don't feel safe, then you can do the same thing in the opposite way.

So I feel like spiritual protection is something that has come through so strongly in our work with women in doing these women's circles and hosting ceremonies and recognizing the responsibility of when you're opening these spaces. What are things that need to be done to make sure that it's safe to make sure that there is clear intention of what energy you're connecting to. And this is something that we will definitely talk a lot more in

I feel like this is really a topic that's going to come up in almost every single episode because it's so important.

Meaghan (38:31): Mostly it's important. It's the foundation of anything you do spiritual work, emotional work, mental work. Protection is vital. It's essential. And especially when you're working with other people and that are bringing in their emotions, their feelings, their bodies, their sensations. It is a responsibility as Milena said to protect.

And to be very, very conscious and aware of what are you communicating with? What are you allowing into the space and what are you not allowing into space, into the space and claiming that, stating that, creating the container for what you're moving through. ⁓ Yeah, that's something we've definitely learned and integrated into all the work we do, including these podcast episodes, but spiritual hygiene, spiritual protection. If you're going to do anything, that should be the first and most important thing you do.

Milena (39:35): Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. And we will definitely, like I said, we're definitely going to be talking about this a lot more in these episodes. We're going to be going into this in a lot more depth within the collective. This is probably going to be one of the first things that we'll touch on before even going into how to connect even further. And so if that's something that is of any interest to you, then this is an invitation to join us in the collective where we're able to provide a lot more resources on this, truly because of how important it is.

Meaghan (40:05): I'm realizing... sorry. We probably should have started with spiritual protection. This shouldn't have been said like the end of the episode, but pretend that we said this at the beginning because it should be before being curious and exploring any of these senses. Spiritual protection should be... prioritado.

Milena (40:24): Mm-hmm. And now we go into our embodied intuition and what does it mean to actually ground all of this awareness through these different senses? How do we actually ground this into our present moment experience?

Meaghan (40:36): Ahem. So I'm going to be using or talking a little bit more about interoception, our sense of inner awareness. We are kind of coming back to something I said before, we have been rooted and taught to operate solely from our minds, completely, completely disconnected from our bodies. I mean, from the moment we wake up in the morning, our attention is being pulled outside of us.

Our phones need our attention. We need to get ready for work. We need to drive somewhere. We are not focused or conscious of anything that's really going on with us because we don't have the time and we don't have the space or we're not given the time and space or we're not taught how to develop that for ourselves. So interoception really refers to the perception we have of connecting to our bodies, the inner body, so the temperature we're feeling.

If we're feeling any pain anywhere, ⁓ our heartbeat, our breath that's coming from in the body. This can also be our sense of when are we hungry? When are we thirsty? It's kind of like this indication of what does my body need, which we typically go to others, we expect other people to meet our needs. But we're the first to know what is it that I actually need in this moment, instead of expecting everybody else to figure it out for me. Interoception is a beautiful sense. That helps us know so that we could then ask others to also help meet our needs. And this awareness of our body, of our needs, of our senses, of our clair senses, it's foundational to our intuition. Because if we didn't know any of this about ourselves, what are we really connecting to? Our intuition is ours, it's nobody else's. ⁓ So when we're talking about that gut feeling that we're connecting to,

It's in us. It's in us. It's connected to our nervous system. And then it's then communicating to us through all these different elements, whether it's like, I'm thirsty, I'm hungry, I'm hot, I'm cold. ⁓ I'm feeling something from within me. And I want to speak to, there's a researcher, an occupational therapist, her name is Kelly Mallor, and she's done a lot of beautiful research on interoception. And there was something she had said in one of her conferences that I attended that she specifically works with children and helping them identify their body cues for their needs, like when they're thirsty, when they're hungry, when they have to go to the washroom.

And she spoke to the fact that we as a society, because we've associated specific cues, excuse me, to specific body senses, like when you're hungry, your tummy is going to grumble. When you're tired, you might feel heavy in your body.

And we're almost gaslighting all of these kids. We've been gaslit to believe that particular things mean particular things, particular sensations mean particular motivations or needs for you. And I thought that was so illuminating because if you have a kid that doesn't feel the grumbling in their tummy when they're hungry, but feels tinglings in their hands, they are literally second-guessing their own body cues.

They're second-guessing everything about their experience, and okay, so you're telling me that what I'm feeling is actually wrong and that I should be feeling this, and I thought that was so mind-blowing and important because this is foundational to how people are going to connect to themselves and then to the world around them and to the people in their lives. And this comes all back to our intuition to trusting ourselves to trusting the signals that our bodies are giving us and queuing us.

And then when this comes even more so into just our intuition, it's, yeah, it's like this whole disconnection from self that interoception is such a huge, huge piece to, I believe, how we connect to our intuition. And I think this is really the birth of a science that's gonna explain a lot of things that have been woo woo for a very long time. And it's gonna give it more grounded, what's the word grounded? Truth grounded, realness.

Tangibility. ⁓ But yeah, our intuition is really not in our minds, but it comes from our bodies. And I think that is the most important way for us to connect to ourselves and our intuition. I don't know if I'm missing anything or I went on like different ways. But did that make sense? Okay. I'm not sure.

Milena (45:21): Feel like yes, yes, it made sense. Did I make sense? Speak so much insightful wisdom. Did that land? And it's speaking to the fact that we are all bio individual of speaking to the fact that we will all experience these senses, whether it's our intuition.

Meaghan (45:31): Did that land?

Milena (45:43): That we are receiving through any of these clairs or whether it is just our own body cues. All of these are completely bio individual. And again, we are going through all of these clairs and we are offering some guidance as to how they may actually come through. But there's so much more that... that this can be expressed as that is not just in the framework of what we're learning it has.

So, know, clair audience can feel very different for some people versus how I experience it. And I think that's also the value of having these conversations to be able to share more perspective and be able to have much more variability in terms of how people actually experience intuition in their body.

Because we truly, we all have a blueprint that is completely unique to us. And so we are all naturally going to experience the world around us and the world inside of us slightly differently. And while we are all human, and yes, we are all going to be able to relate to our human experience, it is still always going to be unique for each person.

So again, this is not to put any of these Clairs into a box and say, nice little bow, this is how it looks like, but this is just guidance for you to feel into yourself how this actually shows up for you. And again, we do want this to be a podcast that is also sparking conversation of if there are any of these Clairs that come through for you differently than how we've expressed it, we would love for you to share it. Cause that teaches us it also.

Could potentially be a gateway for us to be able to connect to this Clair and who knows, maybe in connecting to a Clair through that specific way, it might be the way that person can open that up more for themselves. So again, these are all just invitations and suggestions, but this will look different for everyone. And I feel like...

Meaghan (47:37): And the more people, sorry love, the more people share their experiences, the more you can validate the experience of others that might feel like their experience isn't valid or isn't real. So I think I really wanna emphasize, please drop in comments how you experience your intuition because it's gonna be very illuminating for other people as well.

Milena (47:56): So now going into how this applies to gestating the dream. So what is the dream before the dream and how is this a process of this gestation period of that dream before it becomes manifest? And so really when we're talking about gestation, right, we're talking about trusting in what is unseen, trusting in this knowing or in this guidance that you are feeling from within yourself and knowing that this is leading you somewhere that is going to take you exactly where you were meant to be. And I feel like when we actually truly commit ourselves to the process of manifesting our dreams,

It completely goes against the mind. It completely goes against your own survival instincts. I've had so many moments, even just in the creative process of Venusian Womb and following this stream where my ego starts freaking out.

It starts freaking out because it's just like, Why are we doing this? Why are we what we need to make sure that we have the basic things to survive. And so we need to do certain things that are predictable to get us to this place of survival and meeting our needs. And right. It's just it's so interesting how when you are in this process of gestation, when you are starting to connect to this seed, to this inner knowing, to this guidance, the mind is going to freak out.

Meaghan (48:57): Mm-hmm.

Milena (49:26): The ego is also going to freak out in moments because it's not mentally grounded in anything sometimes. And oftentimes that clarity will come, the mental clarity will come, but it's not always going to be there right in the beginning. It's truly one of those things where the process will inform itself and the clarity will come as you start taking the steps forward.

Meaghan (49:55): And it's trusting like the guidance that your body's giving you as you take it. Cause like the mind wants to make sense and like kind of control and framework and plan for everything. But the body's like, but no, we're going to go this way. We're going to do this. And I think a big piece that I do want to loop this back around to, cause we are Venusian womb. We connect to our wombs through this. We're, I would say I'm going to speak for me. could be speaking for Milena. We are in the process of developing the intuition that our womb holds within herself and learning how to be in relationship and communicate with her and listen to her.

I think we're both good at listening to our bodies in other ways, but the womb herself, she's an whole entity. She is something so divine and has so much to offer that learning and building a relationship with her and listening to the intuition she has, which yes is part of you, but is also part of this a bigger orchestration of things, because it's such a co-creative effort when you're working with the womb.

It's not just you. And learning to tune into her is a whole different ballpark. It's a whole different field. ⁓ And that is a big part of all these senses that we've described today. You can learn to listen to her through these different ways. Like, what is she saying? What does she smell like? What does she taste like? What does she feel like?

When I'm touching her, what does she say? How does she respond to my touch? And as you're cultivating your dream or as you've planted this dream, and then you start tending to the dream through this connection, you're just building this stronger, I guess, like channel for you to get more messages and receive more of where you're going, how you're headed there.

And just knowing that all you need to do is just keep working on building and strengthening that relationship and the messages will come, the clarity will come, the discernment will come. It's just you need to be devoted to evolving and growing in that connection and not necessarily in like the, am I going and what am I doing? It's the no, no, no, how am I connecting more to me? How am I going to hear more loudly so that my soul doesn't have to be screaming at me anymore? And I can just hear the whispers.

Milena (52:22): I'm so glad that you brought the element of the womb into this conversation because of the fact that I actually started to dream when I started connecting to my womb. I thought I was dreaming in the past. I really did. I thought that I was manifesting. I thought that I was visualizing the life that I wanted until I realized that I couldn't even fathom the life that I wanted.

The life that I wanted, well, I guess at the time that was the capacity that I had to dream that dream. But when I actually truly tap into what the dream really is when it comes from this place that is beyond limitation, it goes beyond the mental realm, it goes beyond. The current life experience that you have and what you've been exposed to. Because it's like, how could we possibly dream the greatest dream for ourselves when it's coming from a place of what we've experienced thus far? Right? It's like, you don't know what you don't know.

And I feel like the moment that I started connecting to the dream from a place that was from such an embodied, woomby space, I was actually able to go beyond the limitations of the mind and truly dream without a glass ceiling. And I feel like when you're able to dream from that place, the actual manifestation of what that looks like may not be clear But the feeling of it, the feeling of it is something that is so incredibly big. It's so grandiose and... the more that you cultivate those feelings, like what you truly want to feel within that dream, that is when the dream becomes clear.

Like you said, that's when you start to actually see the ways that these elements of the dream will start to materialize or the creations that need to come through to make this tangible will just eventually start to start to become more clear as you're already taking steps in the process.

Meaghan (54:34): Just to add on to that. I think this will also kind of complete this little section on gestation. While in gestation, we don't see what's emerging. We don't see what's materializing or becoming. It is happening like behind a curtain in the dark. We have no idea what's going on. And kind of like our intuition. That's why we really started our episode one with intuition, because this is really what has guided us.

Along this entire journey so far. It's like a mother who's tending to her baby and attuning to the needs of her child. Like, what does my baby need? Like, why are you crying? Like, are you hungry? Are you tired? Are you thirsty? Like, do you want your back rubbed? A dream is a baby too. And our intuition is like this compass that corrects us and guides us into how do I tend to my dream right now?

Because I'm not forcing it to grow. I'm not forcing it to become anything particular. I'm just, I'm caring for it as it is in this state of gestation. As it hasn't even been born yet. How do I take care of my pregnant body before the baby's even born? What are the needs of the dream? And how do I hear that? How do I listen through my intuition, through my body, through all these different clairsentiences? I don't even know that's a word, but I'm gonna claim it as a word, clairsentiences.

Milena (56:00): Sissississs. So I feel like we've been able to explain a little bit more about how is the dream before the dream develop and how does that then lead us into this process of gestation where we are co-creating the dream with something greater, where we are surrendering to this plan that goes beyond the mind. And also in that process connecting to a more embodied to be able to receive the guidance of this dream that is manifesting slowly and gestating behind the scenes before it's even created and shown to the world and shared.

And some things that could be supportive for you to be able to connect your intuition every day or on a daily basis and devote yourself to the sacred practice of listening, of bringing in presence to your body to be able to receive the guidance that's coming through, through any of the different Clairs that we spoke about.

So we wanted to give you some practices to be able to connect to your intuition on a daily basis to start to strengthen this muscle of discernment, of embodiment and of intuition and recognizing how your intuition is speaking to you. Some practices that we wanted to share were going outside and grounding in nature, bare feet on the earth, taking some deep breaths throughout the day, having some check-ins.

You give yourself, not Meaghan's toesies over here. Doing some check-ins throughout the day, whether that's a morning check-in or an evening check-in before bed, especially if you've been going out to places that have a lot of people or very overstimulated or new environments. It's always great to see, are you feeling drained? Are you feeling... perhaps nurtured or is there some energy that you might be holding onto that's not yours? And this is the importance of spiritual hygiene when you do notice those things is making sure that you have ways of cleansing yourself.

Some other practices are doing body scans, so bringing presence and awareness into your body. Any creative flow practice or any type of even connection where you're not speaking from a place of mind and you're able to just have a very open and fluid, flowy conversation with a friend. This is also very beautiful to just kind of surrender to the conversation and see where you guys even, where your consciousness even goes.

Even beyond that, there's also just dance and sensual expression, connecting to your voice. All of these are ways that we can connect to our senses to open up these channels and to be able to receive more from within. Because truly most of our intuition, yes, we can have these spirit guides or this external guidance, but most of this is truly something that we have to discern within ourselves.

And we create the meaning behind the guidance that we come across in our lives. So I really do hope that these practices are supportive for you. Again, if there are any practices that you found are very helpful for you that haven't been listed here, please share that down below so we can share some of this good juice and wisdom for all of the other people that are listening to this right now.

Meaghan (59:23): If you have stuck it out till the end with us, we thank you for listening to this entire episode, for landing here with us and just being present through this past hour. think this is almost an hour recording.

And we want to extend the invitation to join our Venusian Collective , especially if this is new to you. If you were like, okay, this sounds great, but I'm still feeling a little confused on how to do this.

We are gonna go even deeper into the practices that Milena just shared. We're gonna offer more guidance through guided meditations. We're gonna offer some like little PDF frameworks. We're gonna offer more videos. You're gonna have a more direct connection with us. You can ask us questions, and there's gonna be other people who are also journeying and developing the same thing. So this is the invitation to join us in the collective , where we are gonna go even deeper in this, and following every time, every... theme that we explore in the collective is going to follow the themes of these episodes.

So if you kind of listen to an episode, it gives you the little the teaser, the the introduction to what is going deeper in the collective. So this is your invitation for that. And it's also an invitation to get ready for the episode that we're going to be journeying through next week and talking about next week, which is going to be the full body.

Yes, it's the theme of what does it feel like to claim your dream? And now we had the dream before the dream, the seeding, the conceiving of the dream, and then what does it feel like to, yes, this is my dream, and to own it. And that's what we're gonna be talking about in the next episode.

Episode Links

Calls to Reflection and Action:

Tune into your body’s wisdom: Intuition often speaks through sensations, emotions, and subtle cues. Slow down, practice presence, and notice how guidance shows up for you.
Explore your unique “Clairs”: Intuitive messages can come through sight, touch, hearing, feeling, knowing, tasting, or smelling. Pay attention to which ones feel most alive for you—and trust that they can develop with practice.
Nurture the dream before the dream: Treat your visions and desires like seeds in gestation. Instead of forcing clarity, tend to them with care, ritual, and embodied listening, trusting they will unfold in their own time.

The Hidden Foundation of Spiritual Growth: Spiritual Hygiene and Protection

Tue, 23 Sep 2025 12:54:08 GMT

Have you ever walked away from a gathering, a healing session, or even a heartfelt conversation and felt unexpectedly heavy or drained? Perhaps you were glowing in the moment, with your heart open and your spirit alive, only to crash hours later with exhaustion, irritability, or overwhelm.

Why Your Energy Field Needs Care

If this feels familiar, you’re not alone. So many walking the path of awakening experience this, not because they’re too sensitive, but because their energy field is wide open .

When we speak of spiritual development or personal evolution, we often leap toward the mystical: the expansion, the bliss, the revelation. Yet underneath it all lies a quiet foundation that holds everything together: spiritual hygiene and spiritual protection.

Spiritual hygiene and protection are the unseen foundation of spiritual growth. Without them, expansion becomes unstable. With them, we create a substantial inner container that allows us to open, receive, and express – safely and sustainably.

Think of your energy body as a living extension of your physical body. Just as you brush your teeth, wash your skin, and care for your hair, your energy field needs attention, cleansing, and boundaries. Energy is subtle , often invisible to the physical eye, but it permeates everything. Every person, every place, every interaction carries energy. When you don’t consciously cleanse or protect your field, you unconsciously carry what is not yours, emotional residue, collective heaviness, other people’s projections.

We learned this truth the hard way. After each gathering, we would feel deeply nourished in our hearts but completely depleted in our bodies. We didn’t realize that we were walking away carrying fragments of everyone’s energy within us (love, grief, anxiety, longing) all mixed with our own.

The truth is simple: energetic sensitivity requires energetic responsibility. We had entered sacred spaces without boundaries, our field wide open. Over time, with humility and practice, we began to understand that spiritual hygiene and protection are necessities for anyone walking a path of healing, service, or awakening.

The Dance Between Hygiene and Protection

Think of spiritual protection and spiritual hygiene as two lovers in a sacred dance - one offers containment, the other flow.

Spiritual protection is the masculine principle : it holds, defines, and creates safety within a container. Think of it as sealing your auric field with intention, clarity, and boundaries so that energies not in resonance with you cannot enter.
Spiritual hygiene is the feminine principle : it cleanses, releases, and restores harmony. Just as you wash dirt from your skin, you release energies that are not yours, transmute what you’ve absorbed, and return to your own essence.

One without the other leaves you vulnerable. Protect without cleansing, and you may still carry old energy. Cleanse without protecting, and you may absorb energy as quickly as you release it. Together, they create a rhythm of energetic sovereignty, the capacity to stay clear, grounded, and in your light amid the energetic tides of life.

1. Sound

Humming, singing, or playing instruments moves stagnant energy. Let your voice be medicine.

2. Breath

Deep inhales and full exhales release tension and discharge what is not yours.

3. Movement

Shake, dance, stretch, or sway. Energy moves as your body moves.

Showers and baths can become sacred rituals. As water flows over you, visualize it carrying away all that is not yours. Salt baths are especially potent for clearing.

4. Water

Weaving Protection into Daily Life

Spiritual hygiene and protection are not only for ceremonies or circles. They are for life. In crowded places, in intimate relationships, in the chaos of daily tasks, energy is always at play. Protect yourself before entering large gatherings. Cleanse after difficult conversations. Call your power back after a long day.

These practices do not have to be complex. They require awareness, intention, and reverence for your own energy.

A Closing Invocation

I am light in form.

My body is a temple, my energy a sacred river.

I release what is not mine with love and gratitude.

I seal my field in peace, truth, and divine protection.

I stand sovereign in my light.

The Power of Intention and Declaration

Protection begins with intention. And energy responds to clarity. When you declare with clarity what you will and will not allow into your space, you step into spiritual sovereignty. One of the most straightforward yet powerful practices is to make an explicit declaration before entering a sacred space, a group gathering, or even a crowded environment.

For example: “I call in protection around me now. I do not allow any energy that is not in alignment with unconditional love and my highest good to enter my field.”

It may feel strange at first to speak to the unseen, but energy responds to clarity. When you do not say no, you unconsciously say yes. Declaring boundaries is a sacred act of self-respect.

Closing Energetic Loops

Another teaching that transformed my practice was learning about energetic loops. Each action, each interaction, each project opens a loop in your field. If you move from one thing to the next without closing these loops, you accumulate energy that pulls at you. By the end of the day, you may feel scattered, overwhelmed, or overstimulated, not because of what you did, but because you never sealed the openings.

A simple nightly practice is to visualize golden or white light threading through your chakras, from crown to root, while declaring: “I call all of my power back to me now. I close any energetic loops I opened today. I return to my natural energy, whole and sovereign.”

This takes only minutes, yet it resets your field so you can rest and rise restored.

Lessons in Integrity

If you choose to step into leadership or space holding, spiritual hygiene and protection are no longer optional. They become sacred duties. When people enter a circle or ceremony, they often arrive in vulnerability, seeking healing or transformation. To lead without integrity in protection and cleansing is to risk harm, even unintentionally.

We say this with humility because we have stumbled here. In our early days, we did not fully grasp the weight of responsibility that comes with holding space. We thought love and good intentions were enough. But we learned through experience that integrity requires more. It requires preparation, protection, cleansing, and ongoing awareness.

To neglect this is not neutral; it leaves others exposed. To honour it is to create a container of safety where true healing can unfold.

Practices for Spiritual Hygiene

Once energy has been absorbed, cleansing becomes essential. The beauty lies in the fact that your body and the natural world already offer everything you need.

5. Earth

Place your bare feet on the ground. Visualize any heaviness flowing down into the earth to be transmuted.

6. Air

Use smoke from incense, eucalyptus, or herbs to clear your field, always with an open window so the energy has somewhere to go.

While not necessary, crystals, singing bowls, and other sacred tools can support you. Remember to cleanse them regularly, especially if used in group spaces.

7. Crystals and Tools

And always, let intention be your most fantastic tool. Without it, even the most elaborate ritual is empty. With it, even a breath can shift your energy.

Spiritual growth is not only the art of opening; it is the discipline of maintaining . Through protection and hygiene, you create the stability that allows the sacred to land and stay. This is the unseen foundation of embodied spirituality: To be clear, grounded, and open-hearted enough to hold more of the Divine within you.

Spiritual Protection and Hygiene

Fri, 19 Sep 2025 00:10:10 GMT

Episode Summary

In this special foundational episode of the Venusian Womb podcast, co-hosts Milena and Meaghan delve into the essential practices of spiritual hygiene and energetic protection —tools they believe are vital for anyone engaging in personal growth, ceremony, or holding sacred space.

They begin by distinguishing the two:

Spiritual Protection is about creating an energetic container, sealing your auric field, and setting clear boundaries, so outside interference doesn’t distort your energy.
Spiritual Hygiene is about cleansing and releasing absorbed energies, closing energetic loops, and keeping your field clear—much like tending to physical hygiene.

Drawing from their experience of hosting over 25 women’s circles, they share lessons learned, including the exhaustion and overwhelm they once felt after gatherings due to not protecting their energy. Through trial and error, they refined their process, learning to set clear intentions, close loops, utilize visualization, establish boundaries, and integrate tools such as breath, sound, movement, water, smoke cleansing, and crystals. They emphasize that tools are optional—the most powerful element is intention.

The hosts also highlight the integrity required of leaders and facilitators. Without proper protection and cleansing, harm can unintentionally be caused in vulnerable spaces. They describe their ritual process—calling in supportive energies (such as goddesses, elements, or guides), grounding, cleansing themselves and the space, setting agreements, and closing loops at the end of each circle.

Ultimately, they frame spiritual protection as creating safety for deeper openness and spiritual hygiene as maintaining energetic clarity and sovereignty . Both are vital not only in ceremony but in everyday life, whether navigating relationships, attending large events, or moving through altered states.

Key Takeaways

This episode of The Venusian Womb Podcast is available on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , and wherever you get your podcasts.

Episode Links

Calls to Reflection and Action:

Create your energetic container: Just as you lock your doors at night, protect your energy by setting clear intentions and boundaries. Before entering a space, declare what is welcome and what is not—this gives your body and spirit the safety to open fully.
Practice daily spiritual hygiene: Treat your energy as you would your physical body. Use breath, sound, movement, water, or grounding with the earth to release what isn’t yours. Build simple rituals that help you feel clear, light, and fully in your own power.
Honour your role in sacred spaces: Whether leading, participating, or simply showing up, remember that your energy impacts those around you. Take responsibility by cleansing yourself, your tools, and your environment so that everyone can feel safe, supported, and seen.

Opening the Dream Field: The Art of Gestating Creation

Wed, 17 Sep 2025 17:56:26 GMT

Every creation starts in the unknown. Before a flower ever blooms, the seed lies in obscurity, fed by earth, water, and the magic of time. So too do our dreams, intentions, and visions for life. They are not born in the speed of doing, but in the stillness of being.

Why Gestation is Sacred

At Venusian Womb, our community, we call this the dream field—a liminal space where possibility lives before form. The term 'Venusian Womb' symbolizes the cosmic womb, a concept that represents the nurturing and creative power of the feminine. It is where new worlds are gestating. To open the dream field is to step into a relationship with your own inner rhythms, cycles, and archetypal feminine power of incubation.

This blog post is a journey into that process: why gestation matters, how to open to the dream field, and practical ways to map your dreams with the moon, tend to your dreams with daily embodiment practices, and embody your visions through rituals and symbols.

Our culture often glorifies speed and productivity, mistakenly equating patience with passivity. However, on the feminine path of creation, we recognize a profound truth: gestation does not waste time; it sanctifies it. Patience is not a sign of inactivity; it fuels the creative process. The womb of time actively nurtures your dreams and never forgets them. When you emphasize patience, you reassure yourself and cultivate peace, trusting your dreams to unfold in their own time.

Gestation teaches us to:

Hold the unknown. To sit in mystery without forcing answers.
Develop inner vision. To sense what wants to be born rather than rushing into what should be born.
Strengthen devotion. To nurture a dream with care, trust, and consistency.
Align with cycles. To remember that all life follows patterns of conception, gestation, birth, death, and renewal.

Without gestation, our creations risk becoming hollow—products of urgency rather than vessels of soul.

Opening the Dream Field

The dream field is not out there in some random place. It's within your body, your unconscious mind, and the subtle worlds of energy. To open it requires presence, softness, and alignment.

Dream Mapping: A Feminine Approach to Creation

Once the dream space opens, how do we interact with it? At Venusian Womb, we practice dream mapping—a feminine, cyclical method of goal-making as opposed to linear planning. Dream mapping isn't about checklists and calendars, but braiding vision with rhythm, ritual, and body. It's a graphic way of charting your dream, its evolution, and what you need to do to nurture it to growth.

1. Entering Stillness

The dream field opens in stillness. Make room to close your eyes, breathe deeply, and allow your nervous system to gear down. As your body unwinds, the unperceived becomes heard. You may feel sensations, listen to whispers of thoughts, or sense a silent field. This attention to stillness can leave you grounded and relaxed, ready to listen to the whispers of dreams.

2. Ritual & Symbol

Lighting a candle, drawing an oracle card, creating a womb altar, or even simply taking a special time of day to work with your dreams brings the symbolic into your practice. Symbols speak to the subconscious—the language of the dream world.

3. Somatic Awareness

Focus on your womb, heart, or breath. Pay attention to how your body is experiencing—heavy, fluid, or spacious. What your body is in affects what you can hold because you are pregnant.

The field of dreams opens when entered in companionship. In women's groups, when a woman voices her dream, the field is empowered for all. This sharing is the magic of sisterhood: no longer do dreams incubate alone but in mutual commitment. It's a powerful reminder that you are not alone, and that the power of sisterhood together is one of the leading powers of bringing your desires into being. This sense of energetically connecting with others and feeling supported can make you feel empowered and part of a shared journey.

4. Collective Weaving

Suggested Journal Prompts for Entering the Dream Field

What dream or vision has been whispering to me lately?
Where in my body do I feel this dream living?
What fears or doubts arise when I imagine gestating this dream?
If my dream were a seed, what qualities of soil, water, and light would it need to grow?
Which feminine archetype best describes the energy of my dream?
What ritual could I create to honour and tend this gestation?

Step 1: Anchor the Seed

Ask yourself: What's fermenting into a dream inside me right now? Jot it down as a seed—small, potent, mysterious. Don't over-define it. Let it breathe.

Step 2: Explore Archetypes

Which feminine archetype resonates within your dream? Is it the Mother (nurturing), the Priestess (commitment), the Warrior (courage), or the Lover (erotic)? By connecting your dream to an archetype, you know the qualities it must gestate.

Step 3: Map with the Moon

Plot your vision alongside moon phases. Set intentions during the new moon, see progress at the full moon, and look back and let go during the decreasing moon. For instance, during the new moon, you may write your vision down and set definitive intentions for its unfolding. During the full moon, review progress and note the milestones you have reached. With each passing month, your vision grows, aligning with nature's cycles.

Step 4: Embody Daily

Ask yourself: What small step can I take today to feed this dream? Some days, it's a logistical action, such as emailing. Some days, it's an energetic action, like dancing, resting, or singing into your belly.

Step 5: Trust the Timing

Gestation is not linear. There may be periods of rest, of doubt, or delay. Have trust that your dream is developing in its own time, even when you cannot detect the sprout. That trust in the unseen is what fuels the flame of hope and moves you to keep nurturing your dreams, knowing they will bloom in their own time.

The Feminine Path vs. The Masculine Path

Traditional approaches to creation often follow the masculine model: define a goal, set a deadline, and achieve. This structure is sound, but incomplete. The feminine path adds depth and soul: incubate, embody, and allow.

When masculine and feminine creation dance together, the process becomes both grounded and mystical. The masculine provides structure, while the feminine provides flow. The masculine executes; the feminine gestates.

In the Venusian Womb, we guide women to balance both—so your creations are not just successful, but soulful.

The Role of Sisterhood

Women rarely gestate alone. Throughout history, they gathered in red tents, healing circles, and moon lodges to share their visions. Together, they expanded the dream field beyond the individual, weaving it into a collective womb space.

When you witness another woman’s dream, you actively midwife it into being. When your own dream feels fragile, your sisters hold it and strengthen its pulse. This reciprocity forms the essence of the Venusian Womb Collective —a living field of remembrance where each woman’s vision actively nourishes the whole.

Living Examples of Gestation

Gestation is not abstract—it's happening all around us.

Pregnancy: The most literal form of gestation, where new life grows unseen until ready for birth.
Seasons: Winter holds the seeds of spring. The ground appears barren, yet everything is preparing underground.
Art: A painting, poem, or song often lingers inside the artist long before it emerges onto canvas or page.
Healing: Transformation in the body or psyche takes time. The new self gestates beneath the surface of old wounds.

Recognizing these mirrors reminds us: our dreams follow the same law of gestation.

An Invitation

As you read these words, perhaps you feel a stirring within. A dream that has been waiting quietly. A longing you've been afraid to name. The dream field is now open to you.

Pause. Place your hand on your womb or heart. Take three slow breaths. Whisper your dream into the silence. It doesn't matter if you don't know how it will unfold. What matters is devotion. Trust that gestation is enough.

Closing

The dream field is not about chasing certainty—it is about cultivating faith. To live in devotion to your dream is to honour the feminine way: slow, cyclical, embodied, relational.

At Venusian Womb, we are devoted to creating spaces where women can remember this truth, together. Our circles, our podcast, our collective are all invitations to step into the cosmic womb and tend to what is gestating.

May you honour the sacred pause.

May you learn to trust the unseen.

May your dreams gestate in love until they are ready to be born.

What is Venusian Womb?

Fri, 12 Sep 2025 15:09:36 GMT

Episode Summary

In this opening episode of the Venusian Womb podcast, co-hosts Milena Mercedes and Meaghan Pawlowsky introduce themselves and the heart of their shared creation. They invite listeners into a state of presence through breath, grounding the conversation in embodied awareness before diving into their story.

Milena, a holistic health coach, sound practitioner, and womb-keeper, shares her passion for merging sound and subconscious work to help women rewire beliefs and step into new versions of themselves. Meaghan, a certified somatic sexologist and intimacy coach, speaks about her devotion to sensual embodiment, the healing power of pleasure, and her deep calling as a womb-keeper.

The hosts recount their synchronistic meeting through a mutual connection, the instant sense of sisterhood they felt, and how their bond evolved into weekly rituals of vulnerability, sharing, and wild feminine expression. From intimate “womb cave” gatherings to structured women’s circles exploring archetypes, elements, goddesses, and chakras, their work grew into a powerful community experience.

At the heart of the episode is a reflection on the womb as a source of vitality, creativity, intuition, and divine connection —a place of both fullness and void, where endings and beginnings coexist. They describe the womb journey as a spiral : a continuous process of homecoming, becoming, descent, and rebirth that mirrors the cyclical nature of life.

The theme of gestation weaves throughout: just as a seed or embryo requires time to grow before birth, dreams and visions must be held, surrendered to, and allowed to ripen. They emphasize the importance of trusting this process, even in the face of frustration, as it ultimately leads to greater wisdom and increased readiness.

The episode closes with an invitation : listeners are encouraged to reflect on what dreams, projects, or visions they are currently gestating, and to join the Venusian Womb Collective—a community space offering bonus episodes, resources, and deeper integration. Finally, they tease the next episode, dedicated to the theme of intuition , which will mark the start of their ongoing Friday releases.

Key Takeaways: Calls to Reflection and Action

This episode of The Venusian Womb Podcast is available on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , and wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcript

Milena (00:55): Hello everyone, and welcome to episode 0 of the Venusian Womb podcast. We are so excited to welcome you to Season One, a dream in gestation. So before we really dive in, I'm just going to invite everyone to come into this moment to arrive in your body, maybe closing your eyes. You can place a hand on your heart, on your womb, if that feels supportive.

Just taking a deep breath here, breathe in.

And a big sigh out.

And just calling yourself into this moment, into your presence.

And when you feel ready, you can open your eyes and come back.

Before we dive into this episode, I wanted to give you a sense of how we'll be moving through the topics we're discussing today. To start, we will introduce ourselves. That way, you can get to know us a little bit as your sisters, as guides, as souls navigating this human experience. We are going to talk a little bit about what is Venusian Womb, how this mission, this movement has been born and what led us to this point. We're going to talk about the womb journey, what this means and how to embody this journey in your own life. And we're also going to bring a little bit about gestation, talking about biological gestation as well as the laws of gestation as they unfold in the universe and in the world around us.

So to start us off, I will introduce myself. My name is Milena Mercedes. I am a holistic health coach. I am also a sound practitioner and I am a woomb-keeper which is a title that I hold with the utmost reverence. And I feel that it is one that we've truly been initiated on in this unfolding and in bringing this creation to life, which we will go into a little bit more in this episode. But to share a little bit about what lights me up is this merging of sound and subconscious work and how we can really use these modalities to be able to rewire our thought patterns, our belief systems, to rewire the somatics of our body.

To feel safe in experiencing a new timeline and a new iteration of ourselves. And to be able to bring that in with sound, with subconscious work, is truly what I aspire to pour into this creation. And I'm going to pass it off to my sister.

Meaghan (04:12): Hello, my name is Meaghan Pawlowsky and I am a certified somatic sexologist and intimacy coach. I specifically and love, love, love working with women. I also, it's edgy, but I will claim I am a womb keeper as it has been what has been lighting me up and fueling me with the most passion and purpose for the past two years of my life. I am such a huge believer in the power of pleasure and how healing pleasure is sensual embodiment, especially for ourselves, which we are the only people that can experience pleasure. So I will definitely be bringing in a lot of that juice and magic in future episodes and our Venusian Womb Collective. And just a little bit more about me. I love sunsets, sunrises, anything to do with nature.

Milena (04:59): ROOF!

Meaghan (05:09): Chef's kiss and I love throwing tantrums. I've been throwing a bit of a tantrum through recording this episode just so y'all know.

Milena (05:17): I'm with you sister. We all need a good tantrum every once in a while and I think it's very healing. So this is an invitation for anyone that's having anything coming up right now, especially around just the way that you are authentically showing up. Give yourself the space to have a tantrum about it, whatever it is.

Meaghan (05:22): Hmm. And before we go further, I actually do, I want to be authentic here, speak to the ego identifiers. I've naming who you are is hard because we're so malleable. We're always changing. And I feel like there's this attachment to if I say this is who I am and this is what I do, this is what needs to be consistent all the time. And there's like a little panic and anxiety in me. So I really want to name.

The challenge in actually introducing yourself sometimes because that's been very present for me in this episode.

Milena (06:13): And for any other multi-dimensional beings that are listening to this podcast that struggle to put themselves in a label or a title or a box, we relate. And I feel like this is also such a big part of the womb journey. It's a continuous becoming and evolution of who you are, where none of these identifiers or titles truly describe your essence, right? So, you know, this is the first time that we're really going to talk about these identifiers, but it's also important so you know how we can also support you and what is the juice that we each bring into this co-creative process that we are sharing here on our podcast, on our page and on our collective. So I think this is a beautiful transition and thank you so much for.

Just speaking to the humanness of this process and being seen and witnessed, especially as we go into our story of how we met, which is one of the most beautiful stories of co-creation that I've had the privilege of experiencing. ⁓ But I want to introduce a special person that ultimately was the one that brought us together.

Meaghan (07:11): Intimacy. It's what I do best.

Milena (07:34): This was an ex-lover and ex-friend for you, Meaghan And for the sake of speaking about this person and respecting their confidentiality, we're going to call this person Marco. And so Marco came into my life in a very divine and synchronistic way.

There was a lot of synchronicities of how I had met his cousin five years before I met him and then reconnecting with her is what ultimately led me to begin a romantic relationship with Marco. And this was a relationship that truly changed the trajectory of my life in every way and was exactly how I ended up connecting to Meaghan And I just, did want to give you some space Meaghan to share about how you had even become connected to Marco.

Meaghan (08:35): Which is so interesting because as much as you had a divine connection and how you met, that was also my experience with Marco. It was so divinely guided and orchestrated. We met in a crystal shop that I worked at. And we really connected over spirituality and what we were moving through at the time, which was specifically Joe Dispenza. If you don't know who Joe Dispenza is, go look up Daddy Dispenza because he is incredible.

And, from there, the connection was very, it was deep, but it was also such an interesting connection because we didn't stay in connection after initially meeting. both, our lives took us in different directions. And I remember I saw him about a year after we first met and connected so deeply. And the first thing this man says to me is, my God, Meaghan, I'm in love. You need to meet this girl.

And I thought it was such an interesting thing because had to tell me he was in love, but also there was such a pressing urge that I needed to meet her. And I felt it in my body. I was like, okay, I'll meet her. Tell me when. It's like a year later after that or something. Yeah, we did end up meeting.

Milena (09:57): So we ended up meeting and to give context also for me on my end, this was also something that Marca would say continuously of you and Meaghan would just get along so much. Like you guys are just so similar.

And I mean, having moved to Montreal and really just starting over from there, moving from Toronto, I wanted to meet new people, wanted to connect as sisters and be able to cultivate sisterhood in this new city. so that was such a beautiful introduction. And the day that we met was also, think, synchronistic in its own way, because, yeah.

Meaghan (10:37): I want to speak to that because, at that time, my ex-lover and I had recently parted for the second time. I was in no, if it was anyone else, I would have cancelled there. I was in no emotional state to be meeting someone new, especially to be meeting a couple that was in love. Like it was so miraculous that I chose to actually show up to this little date by the water with you guys. And when I tell you I felt so safe. We come back and talk about this meeting off off like quite often and he wasn't there. He was there but he wasn't there. It was me and Milena.

Milena (11:26): This is just me and you, baby.

Meaghan (11:29): I felt a kinship to her that I had never experienced before, and the way she held me in my vulnerability, my grief, my anger, my shock, my whole survival state was... I am emotional thinking about it because I can't believe I opened up so much in that, and with him there, because he had never seen me like that, and I felt safe enough to do that with you and him.

Holding, well, was you mostly holding me. He was there. He was holding the masculine container. I will, he was there. And I do appreciate both of you for being there, but there was this immediate, I'd say stronger than connection, sisterhood that was magical, divine.

Milena (12:07): Your head. And that's the thing; I'm sure people are listening to this podcast, where you've had that one connection with someone where it's just effortless. It's magic. Like you don't have to think about what to say. You're not thinking about hiding parts of yourself. You're really truly bringing your full self into that connection and just allowing yourself to be witnessed.

Meaghan (12:24): Mm-hmm.

Milena (12:38): And there's a beautiful trust in that. And I feel like this is so much of what the foundation of sisterhood is, right, is having this non-judgmental space to feel supported and also just accepted as you are in whatever state you are coming in. And I'm also so grateful that you showed up, that you decided to meet me because that was the start of the rest of the unfolding of this story. So we meet.

We have a beautiful connection. We were able to truly experience the power of sisterhood in that moment, as Meaghan was going through the things she was at the time during our initial meetup. And this is crazy to say, but the second time that we met was actually at a birthday party. Marco surprised me with a birthday party for my 2023 birthday.

Right? Yes.

Meaghan (13:39): You really don't ask me about dates? I don't know. ⁓

Milena (13:41): Yes, 2023. And so he invited Meaghan, which I'm so grateful for because I didn't have that many friends at the time. And I'm so grateful he invited you. So he did and she showed up. And just to give some context, I think you could also explain is that this was like a birthday party at his family home that was hosted by his by his family.

Meaghan (14:03): Whole family, whole family, family that I've never met.

Milena (14:09): That was hosted by his family. So this was very much like a family and friends' birthday that Meaghan got invited to. And as I said, it was a surprise birthday party. So everyone was told to come to his house or his family home hours before I got there, hours before I got there. And then I got there late because I was thrifting. I'm like, I need to buy some thrifting. And he was not good at time management in terms of that. But.

Meaghan (14:34): Mm-mm.

Milena (14:36): Meaghan was waiting at this guy's house that she had basically just met for like at least two hours to celebrate me when it was like the second time.

Meaghan (14:46): Which I do want to preface lovely family loved love loved his family his whole family. That was a beautiful night But in that moment, I realized holy crap. I barely know this girl I don't know this guy's family at all like at all at all and here I am sitting and I'm trying to be comfortable offering. Hey, do you need any help? set up for this surprise birthday party and

Milena (15:08): Mm-hmm.

Meaghan (15:11): I also, minded, this was a good 30 minutes away from my house. I am not a driver. I drove myself to come to this surprise birthday party to see a girl that I had met once. It was crazy, it was wild.

Milena (15:23): Yep, yep. So, ⁓ and I do also want to give credit because this particular birthday party was one of the most memorable birthdays that I've had. It was really so thought out, so intentional. There was so much love and care that was poured into that and orchestrating that night, which I'm not surprised that it is ultimately that was the particular night that the seed of this podcast was even planted.

Meaghan (15:32): Mm-hmm.

Milena (15:52): And the way that this actually unfolded is we are, I'm gonna give you guys some context. So we're sitting around the bonfire, we're outside. Meaghan and I are just connecting, like we're just flowing in this beautiful conversation about the mysteries of the feminine and just like this inner exploration and contemplation and questioning and redefining and we are both so deeply devoted to our own growth and our own evolution. And I feel like that's ultimately what led us to create this and what allows us co-creation to unfold the way it does. we started talking about the ancient feminine mysteries, talking about the womb, talking about the wisdom of what it is to actually experience sisterhood and to connect with women in a way where there is almost this activation.

There's someone that's saying something to you and it activates almost this remembrance or this inner gnosis of just embodied experience and wisdom from life. And so we're talking about this and there's another women there that's witnessing us. And she was just in admiration of the ways that we were connecting and the things that we were talking about. It really resonated with her.

And she made the comments, which I'm so grateful for. She said, I would love to hear you guys talk. Like I could hear you guys talk infinitely. Can you guys like create a podcast? That'd be so great. And the moment she said that, Meaghan and I both looked at each other. I'm really like, wait, we're like, wait a second. She's got a point.

Meaghan (17:33): Alright. That's a great idea.

Milena (17:40): And that was when the seed was planted for this podcast, for a podcast that we didn't even know would actually come about. And the seed was planted and it is gestated from that day, which we do have the date for. No, we don't. We have the date that we met, but that was the day that this seed was planted. And from that point moving forward, it is gestated into this moment right now.

Meaghan (17:56): No, we don't have it there.

And then after that moment, crickets. Like we literally, we don't talk for what, three, four months? I think it's three months. We wrote it down. Three months. Like some brief social media exchanges, nothing deep. think, no, I don't even think we sent each other reels by back then. And we just let it gestate. It just was, boop, like a blimp in time, a little seed planted. And I don't remember who reached out to who, but.

Milena (18:14): Three months.

Meaghan (18:36): We ended up planning once the holidays were over, ⁓ a playdate. I invited Milena to come over because we had never hung out just me and her before. It was the first initial meeting and then the big birthday party. So we had never had one-on-one time together. And I invited her over. And y'all are not gonna believe this, but the minute in this room, this, office right here, we sit down.

And we spent four hours, we were just joking like, haha, it would be funny if we just started a coven for fun, you know? Because we like to connect and maybe bring in some other girly pops and see who would be interested. And we sat down and we started building and creating and our Google Drive that started with one document that now is like a thousand, our women's circles essentially is what we started creating, but it was like a little community of...

Milena (19:21): Hmm.

Meaghan (19:29): How we would move through, we would journey together. And we started with the elements. Like that was our initial structure, moving through the elements and what that could look like. And it was four hours, guys. We dropped in for four hours, our laptops, our papers in here just like going around. it was like, mm.

Milena (19:48): Effortless. There was just, it was just all coming through where it's one of those things where it's just this stream of consciousness. And there's no, there's no thought, like there's no actual overthinking or like reminiscing or ⁓ none of that. It was just flow, pure flow. Yeah.

Meaghan (19:53): Pouring. Mm-mm. Yeah.

Milena (20:12): And basically from there, we ended up writing down this energetic structure of how we would move through this elemental structure, which I do want to give a little bit of context is ultimately moving through energy is you're just utilizing these archetypes or frameworks, energetic frameworks to be able to connect to that energy within yourself or to connect to that part of yourself. So, you know, if we're working through the energy of water, then we're connecting more so to release, to cleansing, to how are we flowing? How are we allowing ourselves to be malleable and to move and flow like water? And these are the parts of ourselves that we're calling in and we're sitting with, that we're reflecting about, that we're... asking ourselves questions of where are we in this connection in this part of myself. And so we did that together and this is truly the foundation of our connection. And like Meaghan said, we wanted to make it a coven. We wanted to invite some of Meaghan's friends at the time, a few of the girly pops that I had known. And we found that there was, there was an interest, but there wasn't this true commitment to actually showing up.

Because it's just a hangout, so it's just this casual thing. And that was when we slowly started shifting our perspective of what we thought would just be like a covenant, like friends coming together. We decided to make it into an actual women circle and to actually make this an event and have there be an energetic exchange. Because when you are investing into an experience, you are much more likely to fully show up in it and to actually be present.

We decided that that would be a good dynamic for us to be able to still cultivate our coven and to connect with women and to nurture sisterhood, especially because of the way that sisterhood from the very beginning was such a healing space for both of us to come into who we truly are.

Meaghan (22:18): And I do want to speak a little bit how that transition really happened because after the initial meeting we had here, there was no more gaps or crickets. It was okay. We're seeing each other once a week. What day works for you? Tuesdays? Tuesdays. Great. Me too. Okay, what time? 11? Okay, great. I'll be at your house for 11. And we would spend every Tuesday together. I would leave my house at 10:20, show up at Milena's for 11, and we would be...

Milena (22:47): Holding.

Meaghan (22:47): The whole day we would be together and we had this, there was a forest where she was at the time. And there was this little wood cave that we called our womb cave. And we would go in that cave and we would share and we would integrate life experiences. We did so much shame sharing in there. And that was really what kickstarted, I think, the circles of realizing, holy crap, this is really powerful.

Like I feel so vulnerable and exposed yet seen, even my throat, my voice is crackling. I feel so held and seen and this part of me that I've hid that hasn't felt like it could come out now feels liberated. And we would just hold each other with so much love and gentleness and compassion for all these things we've been holding. And we were like, wow, we want to share this with other women. Like if we can do this, me and you, we can do this with other women too. And it just grew and from there we would have planned archetypes that we would be moving through in the forest with. We went through like the maiden, the mother, the queen, and that was our initial structure using the elemental structure that we would flow with in the forest. And we would play, we would share, we would ground, we would howl and like we were wild women in there.

And it was our time to just one co-regulate to each other to get to know each other so vulnerable and so vulnerably in the present moment like our stories we're still getting to know each other's stories from the past. We don't know everything, and that's something we realize often, like wow, I really know you. I know you.

Still, I don't know you and we're learning as we go which I think is beautiful and everybody gets to do that. Still, it was really the beginning of seeing and witnessing what was happening between us and how we wanted to bring this to other women and include other women into our womb cave and all this womb-y wild women stuff we were doing.

Milena (24:59): Yeah, and I do also want to say that I feel like what allowed us to experience such a huge catalyst in our own personal evolution at the time as we were meeting weekly and journeying through these different archetypes was that we walked the edge. Like we walked the edge of what was one, what was even conscious. There were a lot of subconscious things that had come out as we were already in the practice that we were becoming aware of in the moment. Like I didn't even actually remember until right now that I had lived this or that this is something that is still stored in my body. There we walk the edge of even what's what is conscious, what's even comfortable.

Like there were things that I expressed to Meaghan that I had not expressed to anyone else in my life because I knew that she wouldn't judge me for it. And that is ultimately what created such a strong foundation of intimacy and of trust within our connection, which is what led us to experience the outcome of it, which is this liberation and this expression and this alignment into what Venusian Womb came to be.

And so like Meaghan said, we started working with these different archetypes in our women's circles. So we did a women's circle series on the elements. We did a women's circle series on the goddesses. And we did a women's circle series on the chakras. So these are three series that we've completed to date. And we have learned so much, which is exactly what we want to come on here and share about, share about where the collective is at, talk about how incredibly healing and supportive these spaces are, and how we can hopefully inspire and give permission for others to be holding spaces like this. And it doesn't need to look like the context of a women circle. It can be even just in friendship and sisterhood.

In personal relationships. And so, yeah, we ended up expanding. So me and Marco had uncoupled and I ended up having to move back to Toronto and we were already well into our Women's Circle series. And when I tell you this has been something that has been a soul reclamation of like, is exactly what I am meant to do. This is the one thing that lights me up in a way that nothing else does. Nothing else.

And this was such an undeniable experience for both of us that we fully devoted ourselves to continuing to carry out these circles, even though we were cities apart. I was in Toronto. I was driving to Montreal every single month for these circles because I loved these women, because I loved the circles themselves. I loved journeying through them myself.

Loved holding and cultivating these spaces for women to journey along with us and to witness their evolution. And basically from there, we continued carrying out these circles in Toronto and in Montreal. So we actually expanded where we were hosting these events. And from there, we have closed, we've closed our Women's Circle series. And finally, this seed that has been gestating for this podcast. This is the moment for...

Meaghan (28:36): Was born.

Milena (28:38): To create.

Meaghan (28:40): Well, this, this moment right here, as you are all listening to this, this is its birth. And I just need a moment to take that in because we've been gestating her. And thank you for being here, right here, right now. Yeah, I'm gonna invite everyone to take a deep breath.

So that is how we have made it to this point in time. And I would love to ask you, Milena what is the womb? What does the womb represent to you?

Milena (29:24): There is so much to say. And also it's so simple. When I think of the womb, when I feel into the womb, I feel vitality. I feel this creative energy that is raw life force.

And, it's so interesting because I feel like the way that I've seen the womb before was in a very anatomical, very biological perspective. And now when I think of the womb or I'm connecting to it, it's such a spiritual and embodied and energetic experience. And I just feel like in connecting with... this center, the center within ourselves, it's allowed me to be able to connect to my own pleasure, to be able to connect to my own creativity, to be able to connect to a level of intuition and inner gnosis that I've never experienced before.

And I just feel like there is this also this surrender.

Because you can't force a flower to grow. You can't force a creation to actually manifest. And this is where the surrender comes in because it's a co-creation. It's not just you. It's not coming from just you. And I feel like there has been this connection to God, to spirit.

That I found within this space.

And I want to reflect this question back to you, Meaghan. And feel free to just allow the expression to come through, even if it's something I've said, of what is the womb to you?

Meaghan (31:24): Hmm. Yeah, I absolutely will. ⁓

The womb for me. She is the fullness of everything, of everything you can imagine. And at the same time, she is also the void. She is the point where everything is created from and everything goes back to die. It's this beautiful cycle and remembrance that every ending has a new beginning and every emotion.

Every feeling is welcome here. She holds them with so much grace and love.

And yeah, it's this embodied, like this connection, my womb, I hear like, the more we've connected where she's like, calls you back, she calls you back to yourself. And I've found purpose within her, I found reconnection to self, to my dreams, my desires. She brings out the part she, it's like this cleaning or this shedding light of where the shame is too, because there's so much shame here.

There's so much collective shame, personal shame, and the womb, it really has brought me in connection with God. And I never would have thought I would have landed here.

Milena (32:58): When I would say the word God, Meaghan would be like, "stop it!" I'm like, okay, God, source, universe, higher power.

Meaghan (33:07): But she is such a beautiful point that connects me to, as you said, our life force, my creativity, my feeling, how I feel in my body, and my intuition, my gut, that is where our gut is. And it's not just woo woo. Having experienced it over the past year and a half, this is very real. Having seen it in you, seen it in the women we've journeyed with.

Our reconnection to our womb, and I have a hard time calling it the reconnection. I don't know why yet. I haven't exactly figured that out, but our connection to our womb is just so crucial and vital to like just being us to our authenticity, to our liberation, to our sovereignty. And to me, that's what the womb is.

She has liberated me in ways I could have never ever imagined or thought possible and connected me to God of all people. What?

Milena (34:12): This is exactly why this is exactly why we feel so deeply devoted to bringing this... I don't want to say work, but ultimately yes, yes to bringing this connection forward, to being able to bring more awareness to such a taboo topic, something that most women don't even talk about. And so I think that having explained a little bit about what the womb is, I do want us to talk a little bit about what is the womb journey? What does it mean to journey with the womb?

And I feel like I'm going start us off with this, but the way that we have visualized, created a visual for the womb journey is a spiral. And the symbolism of the spiral is the womb journey is going to bring you back to yourself where you are actually claiming all parts of yourself, where all parts of you are welcome, are loved, can be held.

And this really truly is a cyclical path where you are exploring the inner landscapes of yourself. When I'm saying landscape, I'm talking mentally. Your mental realm, your beliefs, your thoughts, your patterns, physically, spiritually, emotionally. These are all of the inner landscapes that we are able to bring awareness to when we are embarking in the womb journey.

And, it will bring you to explore and experience parts of yourself again and again that you may have already felt you've experienced and explored, but it'll bring you to a greater depth of coming into your fullness. ⁓

Meaghan (35:51): I really want to add on to that that the womb journey, the spiral is a descent into yourself, a remembrance of self. We the spiritual community talks so much about ascension ascension. Yes, yes, but descension ground into yourself ground into your body, into all these parts of yourself that you every time you come back around, you're going to learn a new layer of yourself that you didn't even know was there.

And I think that's such a beautiful part of the womb. And it's a never ending journey. It's never gonna end. There's no end point, which I think is even more beautiful because that is just this surrender to the journey, to the experiences, to the becoming that is unfolding.

Milena (36:47): Thank you. I couldn't have said that better. And a big part of this has been coming into the body. It's been such an embodied homecoming. And I feel like this is slowly bringing us into, I do want to add this other element of the womb journey, which is kind of what you said about the ending or the death is really truly the beginning of the new cycle. The womb is such a cyclical center.

And this is how it reflects when we are journeying through the womb, we notice ourselves going through cycles, closing karmic cycles, and also reopening these new expressions of self, these new timelines in our lives, these new parts of ourselves that come out. And it's such a beautiful becoming. It's a continuous becoming because ultimately there is no outcome. It's not about the destination.

Truly, it is about the process and who you become in the process.

Meaghan (37:51): I love how you also said the homecoming. It's like a play on becoming and homecoming because it's both simultaneously. Yeah, that's really beautiful.

Milena (37:57): Mm-hmm. And so a dream in gestation, Meaghan. What is gestation, my dear?

Meaghan (38:06): Hmm. Are you doing, am I doing the biological or are you doing the biological?

Milena (38:13): Right, I guess I'll introduce us to the biological gestation because that's where my science energy, I feel, comes in. But biologically, when we're talking about gestation, we have the embryo. And once the embryo becomes fertilized, this is the moment of conception. From the moment of conception until this being has become manifested in the world, this is what we call the period of gestation.

So if we're talking about it from the perspective of an idea, we're talking about the idea, which is where the seed is planted. When we've given our intention to it, this is where we fertilize that seed. And then the gestation is the surrender. It's a surrender as this amorphous entity just continues to become. And there is almost this...

There's almost this shedding and reforming and just becoming of whatever this being is.

Meaghan (39:18): Very mysterious and the process of gestation. It teaches us a lot about trusting the process, trusting yourself, trusting the dream, the conception of the dream that you don't really know how you're going to get there. But you know, you want to get there and just surrender like surrender is such a big piece in gestation period. And surrendering is not easy all the time. You are definitely gonna hear a lot throughout this whole season, how challenging the tantrums really, really come in strong. And the gestation is really that period between the conception of the dream to the birth. And it takes time. And if there's anything me and Milena have really learned in this journey is when you have the conception of a dream, oof, the urge to want to release it right away.

Milena (39:46): That's where the tantrums come in.

Meaghan (40:12): Is so strong. Once you have an idea, a beautiful idea, you want to birth it right there. You want to let the whole world know you want to get everybody and like, oh my god, look at this beautiful, crazy dream I have. It wants you want to bring it into tangibleness, which is not very possible. But that process of gestation. It's needed. It's how a baby is born is before it's born. It's how it grows.

Milena (40:13): So strong. You want to tell everyone about it.

Meaghan (40:43): So we've come to realize the importance of gestation for everything. It's the law of gestation for how we come into this world, but also how ideas, dreams, visions, anything you want to materialize in this environment, 3D world, whatever you want to call it, it needs its time to gestate. And I feel we've become very well acquainted with understanding the ins and the outs of gestation, which is why we really wanted to bring this to all of you.

Milena (41:13): Yeah, and I will just add that if we had come out with this podcast when we had first been given the permission, I want to say idea and permission to do so, we would not even be talking about gestation. We wouldn't have had any of the lived experience and then embodied wisdom from those experiences to even speak about. And this is exactly why.

Meaghan (41:27): Mm-mm.

Milena (41:39): The gestation period is so crucial to get yourself out of the way, like out of like this tiny little human mind and just trusting in this greater vision and trusting in the ways that it's unfolding because truly there is a reason for the gestation. There are people, there are things that still need to be integrated within your being to be able to carry and birth this vision.

Meaghan (42:08): So we want to turn it back to all of you who are listening. After hearing us speak for however long this episode has been, what are you gestating? What, maybe just listening to us speak, there's something that's been conceived, a dream, an idea, a vision. And once it's conceived, it's now ready to gestate. And we want to know, we're very curious to hear from you. What are you gestating?

And it could be anything. It could be an actual human, baby. It could be a project. It could be a job, a business, something artistic. So we want to leave that in the field for all our dreamers out there that are gestating something.

Milena (42:52): All our visionaries. And also allow this to be permission. Allow this to be permission to dream. To have a vision for your life that comes from a place of soul where there is no limitations. Like dream your wildest dream. There is no glass ceiling here.

Meaghan (42:59): Mm-hmm. No ceiling.

Milena (43:13): So truly allow this to be an invitation to feel into what that dream is that is gestating, that is perhaps becoming conceived in this moment and allow yourself to own it. Allow yourself to truly claim that. And when you feel ready to be witnessed, we are here and we are also so honoured to be able to walk this path with you and to support you, guide you and to share the wisdom that we've learned in our own individual journeys of the womb.

Meaghan (43:25): On that note, we would love if you loved anything about this episode and you're excited about this journey. We want to extend the invitation to join our Venusian Womb Collective , where we're going to dive even deeper. There's going to be extra bonus episodes there. We're going to have resources. We're going to have people that you can integrate with and share your dream with because this is so much stronger and more powerful when you can share it with others.

So this is your invitation to join our Venusian Womb Collective . And also an invitation to tune back in on Friday with our first episode of the season, where we're going to be talking about intuition. So today was a lot of storytelling. Next time, there'll be a little bit less storytelling, but we'll still bring in experiences that we've learned along the way. And yeah, this is the only week that you guys will get two episodes every following week after it'll be coming out every Friday on Venus Day because you know, Venusian Womb.

So that is your invitation, and thank you for listening.

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Calls to Reflection and Action:

Reconnect with your womb wisdom: Explore your womb not just as a biological organ, but as a sacred source of vitality, creativity, and intuition. What new energy or insight awaits you there?
Embrace the spiral journey: Healing and growth aren’t linear. Permit yourself to circle back, revisit old layers, and welcome every part of yourself with compassion. Notice how each cycle brings you deeper home to who you are.
Trust your gestation process: Whether it’s a dream, a project, or a personal transformation, allow it to unfold in its own time. Instead of rushing, lean into patience and surrender—what you’re nurturing will come forth when it’s ready.